If a character is the pilot of a starship, would you allow them to use the Sense power's defensive control upgrade against attacks targeting the ship? (Commit 1 Force Die. Once per round, when an attack targets the Force user, they may upgrade the difficulty once)

I realize that Intuitive Evasion exists, and the player in question is a Starfighter Ace. I just wanted to get some opinions before I finalize an interpretation.

Personally, I feel it's OK, as long as the person with Sense is the one piloting. On the other hand, it may be too good. What do you guys think?

No. The attack is targeting the ship, not the guy with Sense even if that guy is the pilot.

If you're piloting, yes .

I don't know the specific Order 66 podcast or what exactly he said in regards to it. So I don't know if it pertains only starfighters or if it can be applied to freighters .

If they're piloting, I would totally allow this at my table. I mean, even Obi-Wan was able to hang in the thick of battle, despite "hating flying." So I'd say the Force can provide a natural defensive bonus like this. Canonically (legends), this is why those standard Jedi Starfighters aren't particularly well shielded, their evasive, and the Jedi know when to get out of the way.

I'd be willing to say yes if Intuitive Evasion weren't a thing. But it is a thing, so that'll be a thumbs down.

I'd be willing to say yes if Intuitive Evasion weren't a thing. But it is a thing, so that'll be a thumbs down.

Why Sam Stewart says yes. And intuitive evasion a narrower version of sense. Just like overwhelm emotions is a lesser version of influence power.

Yeah, Sam mentioned this on our show a while back when I asked him about Sixith Sense (+1 to Ranged Defense) and applying it towards a Starfighter if a Force Exile was flying. His reply (albeit 2 years ago) was that it would not apply and that "the Sense Force power would be a better fit for capturing that Jedi Ace/Force Pilot feeling".

Any character with the Sense power can use it with any ship they are flying. I do cap it at Sil 4, though. Anything bigger it just wouldn't make sense. No amount of Force power will get a Nebulon B frigate to dance like the Falcon...

If you're piloting, yes .

I don't know the specific Order 66 podcast or what exactly he said in regards to it. So I don't know if it pertains only starfighters or if it can be applied to freighters .

And thank you for finding my quote from last year. I knew I spoke about this before, but Gods save me I couldn't remember when. My statement from last year stands.

Then again, you could always ask Sam and we'll revisit the topic with him for our upcoming Q&A Show...

Got a response.

RAW, no,you can't use Sense's defensive upgrade (even if the user is the pilot) for vehicle combat, since the pilot is not specifically being targeted. But that it would be reasonable to house-rule that the pilot can use it if in a ship Silhouette 3 or less and had a Speed of 3 or higher.

Got a response.

RAW, no,you can't use Sense's defensive upgrade (even if the user is the pilot) for vehicle combat, since the pilot is not specifically being targeted. But that it would be reasonable to house-rule that the pilot can use it if in a ship Silhouette 3 or less and had a Speed of 3 or higher.

Care to indicate who that reponse was from?

As noted above, we've got Sam aka Lead Designer saying "sure thing," so it sounds like we've got two conflicting opinions on the matter.

With the limitation Lathrop mentions I'd definitely allow it, I might consider a silhouette 4 with speed of at least 3, but not with negative handling (but I'd allow talents to negate handling).

Ah, well, it's not an issue yet in my game, but it may be in the future.

I guess RAW is no, as it's the ship and not the pilot - that would be strict reading of RAW though - as one could make the argument that the pilot "is" the vehicle as he's piloting it... I think this is house-rule territory. We can't expect all Sam's answers to be strict RAW interpretations all the time, it's not gospel as such. He's on a podcast, talking, chatting, answering questions. I'd say RAW opens for this interpretation, but it's obvious that it needs some limitations, which are not in RAW - like DarthGM's example about making a Neb-B dance like the Falcon, ain't gonna happen, not in my game at least.

Care to indicate who that reponse was from?

As noted above, we've got Sam aka Lead Designer saying "sure thing," so it sounds like we've got two conflicting opinions on the matter.

It was indeed from Sam Stewart, actually.

My guess is he's either changed his mind on the topic slightly over the past year, or that this is just a bit of a clarification on his thoughts (dependent on the exact wording of what he said in the Order 66 podcast where he talked about it prior).