Can the Raider's primary weapon be fired from the aft section's firing arcs?

By EdgeOfDreams, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Today I played an Epic game with a Raider on the table. One player tried to claim that the Raider's primary weapon could be fired out of any of its three firing arcs (the forward-facing arc on the fore section and the side-facing arcs on the aft section). We ended up agreeing that it's probably intended to only fire the primary from the fore section, because only the fore section has an attack value on its ship card. However, we couldn't find a definitive clear statement in the rulebook to support either interpretation.

Can anyone clarify this for us? What arc(s) can the Raider's primary weapon fire out of?

Your deduction was correct. The fore section arc is for the primary and secondary weapons mounted fore, and the aft section arcs are for the secondary weapons mounted on the aft section.

Where is this in the book? Tried to find it and it would be nice to know where, so I can show others.

The attack value is only printed on the fore section similarly to the Tantive's turret primary.

This came up in my Epic game yesterday as well. All I could find was the rule stating that the aft secondary weapons must be fired from "either" arc (the rear arcs). By that restriction the primary could be fired through any of the arcs. True, the attack dice is printed in the fore section, but the energy is printed in the rear section and you can spend energy from the rear to perform the fore section attack twice.

Has anyone asked an official at FFG for clairification yet?

Has anyone asked an official at FFG for clairification yet?

Primary weapons can only be fired from the Primary arc, unless specified otherwise such as with the Firespray, or if they're a turret.

Understood, however the Raider rule book just classifies Raider firing arcs as fire and aft (not primary or aux). It says:

"The Raider has three firing arcs printed on the ship token; there is one firing arc on the fore section and two firing arcs on the aft section. If the aft section of the raider has a secondary weapon equipped to it; that secondary weapon must target a ship inside either (presumably either aft) firing arc." It says nothing about the primary weapon being restricted to the forward firing arc in there. Am I misreading something?

Edited by swimmingordy

After reading the rules, I think RAW the primary and secondary weapons in the fore section can use any firing arc, including the two arcs from the aft section.

True, it doesn't even restrict the fore secondary weapons to the forward firing arc. Just the aft secondaries to the aft.

This preview article talks about the sweet spot where firing arcs overlap. That means RAI a weapon can only use the arc(s) from the section it is mounted on.

This came up in my Epic game yesterday as well. All I could find was the rule stating that the aft secondary weapons must be fired from "either" arc (the rear arcs). By that restriction the primary could be fired through any of the arcs. True, the attack dice is printed in the fore section, but the energy is printed in the rear section and you can spend energy from the rear to perform the fore section attack twice.

Has anyone asked an official at FFG for clairification yet?

Does anyone argue that the Corvette can fire its turret from the rear section? Because the Corvette can spend energy from its aft section to boost its attack. I don't know if that argument applies to either ship. I feel like FFG intends for only the forward arc to be used for primary attacks.

I'm going to send a rules question.

Does anyone argue that the Corvette can fire its turret from the rear section?

No, because the rulebook from that box addresses the issue.

It's fairly obvious that the ship can only fire weapons from the section to which they are mounted. The primary is mounted to the fore section, just as it is on the CR90 corvette.

The proof is the article linked above: the fore section card is primary armed, the aft is not.

Edited by Blue Five

Yet the aft section is where energy is generated and stored, but you can spend it on the forward section to repeat primary weapon attacks.

Yet the aft section is where energy is generated and stored, but you can spend it on the forward section to repeat primary weapon attacks.

Sure but that doesn't change how the weapon works.

The fore and side arcs both use solid lines and are the same shade. The CR90 secondary weapons arcs are not filled in. Plus the rules do say the Raider has three arcs. I think RAW you can fire primaries out of any arc.

Upon interpreting the published blind spot on the Tantive, I'm moving camps. I now think that the primary can only be shot out of the forward arc. Secondary weapons may only be shot out of the respective arc(s) (fore or aft) where they are mounted to.

Upon interpreting the published blind spot on the Tantive, I'm moving camps. I now think that the primary can only be shot out of the forward arc. Secondary weapons may only be shot out of the respective arc(s) (fore or aft) where they are mounted to.

More simply, all weapons can be fired only from the section they're placed on.

The fore and side arcs both use solid lines and are the same shade. The CR90 secondary weapons arcs are not filled in. Plus the rules do say the Raider has three arcs. I think RAW you can fire primaries out of any arc.

Then yours is a factory defect.

The CR-90 secondary arcs are definitely filled in.

This preview article talks about the sweet spot where firing arcs overlap. That means RAI a weapon can only use the arc(s) from the section it is mounted on.

I agree with this. If the primary weapon could fire out of any arc, it makes the entire 'sweet spot' feature irrelevant in regards to the primary weapon.

Furthermore, look at the CR90, which works in exactly the same way. The PWT symbol is only on the front.

It's more intuitive on the CR90 because it's obvious what part of the model the primary is (the turbolaser turret) and where that's mounted.

Edited by Blue Five

This preview article talks about the sweet spot where firing arcs overlap. That means RAI a weapon can only use the arc(s) from the section it is mounted on.

I agree with this. If the primary weapon could fire out of any arc, it makes the entire 'sweet spot' feature irrelevant in regards to the primary weapon.

In the article example, the Raider is firing with its primary weapon AND secondary weapons mounted both to the fore AND aft sections.

The "Sweet spot" as described is the spot at which secondaries on both sections can fire, and has nothing to do with the primary weapon.

So far I've seen nothing definitive or even indicative of the Raider's primary weapon being confined to the fore section firing arc.

Furthermore, look at the CR90, which works in exactly the same way. The PWT symbol is only on the front.

It's more intuitive on the CR90 because it's obvious what part of the model the primary is (the turbolaser turret) and where that's mounted.

Okay, but the primary weapon of the Raider appears to be six individual twin laser cannons that are mounted along the length of the ship with at least 1/3 of its total firepower being on the aft section of the ship. There's nothing on the Raider model, structurally, to suggest any such limitation.

And, again, this issue is addressed specifically in the rulebook that accompanies the CR-90, whereas the Raider literature only specifies that secondary weapons are limited to their sections arc.

Edited by Tvayumat

Has anyone sent a rules question? I'm doing it now.

Wow

Can't believe people can't figure it out

Its obvious as the attack value is printed

Stop trying to make up rules, or interpret them in a way its convenient.

It's pretty obvious that if the Raider could fire from any arc that would just seem broken

Edited by Krynn007