Heh heh.

. . . Under twelve parsecs.

Biggest lie in Star Wars.

Obi Wan is a liar three out of the five listed. From a certain point of view, I guess.

Just about everything Kenobi said in the OT was either a proven lie in the OT or proven false but the PT.

Well what do you expect? He was embracing moral relativism to shape a malleable boy into a tool to destroy the Emperor. The cognitive dissonance must have been overwhelming.

Good thing for Obi Wan lying for personal gain is only worth one conflict. He must've rolled some 9s and 10s (or simply had a big enough cushion) to not lose his paragon status.

Good thing for Obi Wan lying for personal gain is only worth one conflict. He must've rolled some 9s and 10s (or simply had a big enough cushion) to not lose his paragon status.

I can't really see Obi Wan as a Paragon. He does all sorts of dubious things. Duchess Satine wouldn't agree with him being one, I think. Though he does sacrifice his life, so there's that. Regards lying, I think the cost has to have SOME relation to the size of the lie. Telling someone their father is dead so that they will then kill their own farther, unknowing.... that's up there.

Well, according to Yoda, Luke couldn't handle the truth at the time. Obi Wan must've agreed.

"Unfortunate I know the truth?"

"No. Unfortunate that not ready for the burden were you, that incomplete was your training..."

Then again, both Yoda and Obi Wan think Vader's gotta die...apparently, in Yoda's 900 years of life, bringing someone back from the Dark Side is unheard of, so he couldn't see another way.

Ghost Yoda, standing next to Ghost Obi Wan and Ghost Anakin...kinda looks like he's thinking 'I can NOT believe that worked...'

I would have LOVED it if Episode 3 had revealed that Anakin wasn't actually Luke's father and that Vader was just bullsh***ing him. And that Obi-Wan was just going along with it in the hope of triggering in Luke some kind of Oedipal dad-hating complex.

"Those totally were the droids they were looking for."

Considering the Kessel Run is in an area surrounded by black holes its entirely possible to do the kessel run in less then 12 parsecs. The Kessel Run is basically a course you follow to avoid running into the black holes that dot the space where Kessel is located. You can shave time and distance off by flying closer to the black holes then is considered safe by the course.

Considering the Kessel Run is in an area surrounded by black holes its entirely possible to do the kessel run in less then 12 parsecs. The Kessel Run is basically a course you follow to avoid running into the black holes that dot the space where Kessel is located. You can shave time and distance off by flying closer to the black holes then is considered safe by the course.

For general education on the issue: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run#Behind_the_scenes

Well, I figure Obi Wan, as of ROTS, was a Paragon..In any event, Yoda's picture is in the dictionary next to Paragon, and he didn't see fit to tell Luke either. Presumably his reasoning is sound. Yoda makes it sound like he was going to tell Luke when he achieved Knighthood and finished his training. Presumably Obi Wan thought the same.

Then again...

Face it, " From a Certain Point of View " is just Jedi for "I lied".

Well, I figure Obi Wan, as of ROTS, was a Paragon..In any event, Yoda's picture is in the dictionary next to Paragon, and he didn't see fit to tell Luke either. Presumably his reasoning is sound. Yoda makes it sound like he was going to tell Luke when he achieved Knighthood and finished his training. Presumably Obi Wan thought the same.

Then again...

Face it, " From a Certain Point of View " is just Jedi for "I lied".

Yoda as Paragon, I see. And I think he probably just didn't tell Luke because he meant it about burdening Luke. Yoda is 900 years old. It would be like telling a small child to him that their father was a cross between Herod, Hitler and Maleficent from Snow White. Obi Wan, though, has always been a cunning old fox ready with a convenient half-truth.

That said, Obi Wan probably really does view Anakin as dead and Vader as not the person he knew. Even Vader refers to "Anakin" as some other person. Tht's some pretty dramatic psychological separation. Plus you throw in Obi Wan's long known prejudice against machines... Actually, I'm going to change my position - I don't think Obi Wan really was deliberately "lying" as such. I think he really does regard Anakin as dead.

Funniiy that seems to be extremely common among Sith. Those who were former jedi always seem to have a 'that man is dead' point of view.

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  • Jedi in general seem to treat Sith as something like The Undead . Obi Wan and Qui Gon referred to Darth Maul as "it", Yoda warned Obi Wan that Anakin is "gone" and has been "consumed" by Darth Vader, Mace Windu says "which was destroyed , the master or the apprentice?".
  • In A New Hope , Obi-Wan Kenobi aids and abets this trope when he tells Luke that Darth Vader killed Luke's father .
  • In Return of the Jedi , after Luke calls Vader by his real name (Anakin Skywalker) , Vader replies, "That name no longer has any meaning for me". However, Vader puts himself in the still redeemable category when he responds to Luke's continued pleas with a sad, "It is too late for me, son."
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Going off what Angela said, I think that even Darth Vader would have considered Anakin dead. He had been consumed by the dark side. He didn't bear any real relation to the man he had been before. Even when he discovered that the Emperor lied to him, and both his kids were alive, his first thought wasn't, "Oh man, I must not have shoved Padme into the lava," it was, "Oh man, I can totally exploit my son's fear using my daughter!"

Anakin was dead. Betrayed by his own fear.

Angela's suggestion makes sense.

Though when Mace was asking which was destroyed (the master or the apprentice), Darth Maul was cut in half/thought dead, ie literally destroyed. I don't think that remark is a reflection of spiritual/psychological destruction.

It only makes sense that Obi-wan lies a lot, being a Sith and all.

Heh. I remember a skit where Suitless Vader calls Obi Wan on out his logic error.

. . . Under twelve parsecs.

Biggest lie in Star Wars.

Debatable.

Han's boasting that his ship is fast. Hyperspace routes are dependent upon the mass and velocity of the ship in question. So to navigate around gravity wells (and not get sucked into a black hole) a slower ship would need to go farther out from those gravity sources to avoid being affected. A ship that is significantly faster could fly a shorter route because their velocity would allow them to basically cut corners.

It's like you've got a mushroom in Mario Kart and instead of going on a wide turn to follow the track, you just boost over the grass and laugh at those chumps going the long way. Then if you're me, you end up boosting yourself right over the goram ledge, "**** me, not again! That ******* on the cloud with his fishing pole can eat a ****!"

Mario Kart fills me with so much joy and so much rage all at the same time.

My biggest problem with the parsec quote is, people trying to attribute real life to a fictional universe. Just because a parsec is distance here in our universe, doesn't mean it's not something else in someone else's. In my universe, parsec could mean days.

I also have an issue with all the retcon just in the films. Leia and her mother, Obi-wan and his instructor, but that's for another day...maybe.

Edit: When the statement was first made back in 1977, not that it's been debated for decades so it had to be Lucasized.

My biggest problem with the parsec quote is, people trying to attribute real life to a fictional universe. Just because a parsec is distance here in our universe, doesn't mean it's not something else in someone else's. In my universe, parsec could mean days.

I also have an issue with all the retcon just in the films. Leia and her mother, Obi-wan and his instructor, but that's for another day...maybe.

Edit: When the statement was first made back in 1977, not that it's been debated for decades so it had to be Lucasized.

There's no need for a retcon to account for Leia's statement about her mother.

Leia has no recollection of Padme.

Leia was an infant when she went to live with Bail Organa and his wife.

Clearly, Organa's wife, sad because she knew the truth behind their newly adopted daughter, died while Leia was young.

Bail Organa eventually remarried.

Bail Organa's first wife was Leia's *real mother* from Leia's perspective, right up until she found out who her father actually was.

(And, frankly, as the woman who raised Leia from a baby, she was Leia's real mother, in any rational sense of the word .)

Considering the Kessel Run is in an area surrounded by black holes its entirely possible to do the kessel run in less then 12 parsecs. The Kessel Run is basically a course you follow to avoid running into the black holes that dot the space where Kessel is located. You can shave time and distance off by flying closer to the black holes then is considered safe by the course.

For general education on the issue: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run#Behind_the_scenes

See, I always got the impression that Han just wasn't as awesome as he thought he was, which, to me, made him even more awesome.

Watch Star Wars and pay special attention to Ben's face when Han mentions the 12 parsecs. The look on his face says it all. Ben's all, "This guy is so full of crap he doesn't even know what a parsec is. But he's pretty much our only option." Then, of course, the EU decided to justify use of the parsec in that situation, which actually made the scene lesser, in my opinion.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who got that from the scene.

See, I always got the impression that Han just wasn't as awesome as he thought he was, which, to me, made him even more awesome.

Watch Star Wars and pay special attention to Ben's face when Han mentions the 12 parsecs. The look on his face says it all. Ben's all, "This guy is so full of crap he doesn't even know what a parsec is. But he's pretty much our only option." Then, of course, the EU decided to justify use of the parsec in that situation, which actually made the scene lesser, in my opinion.

It really did make it lesser! Thank you. Fan enthusiasm struck a bit too hard with that retcon, I think.

Even though I did enjoy Crispin's Han Solo trilogy to a great extent (may she rest in peace).