Geomancer and other heroes

By MrZub, in Descent: Journeys in the Dark

1) Can he summon stones out of his line of sight?

2) He wears an artifact that can grant him a surge. Can he add this surge to a stone's attack?

3) Can the Law Keeper use his skill "When the overlord plays a card tap this card and recover 1 fatique, then when this card is untapped deal 1 damage" when he has no fatique?

Sorry if I wrote something incorrect - I have russian version of the game so I could mistranslate something.

1) Yes

Geomancer skill Terracall :

" Exhaust this card to place a Summoned Stone in an empty space within 3 spaces of you "

There is no need for line of sight.

2) No

I assume the item you are talking about is Mana Weave (" After rolling attack dice exhaust thos card to add 1 surge to the results ")

Geomancer skill Terracall (second part)

" While this card is exhausted, 1 of your Summoned Stones may perform an attack during its activation (using 1 of your equipped Magic weapons )."

The Summoned Stone is only able to use your Magic weapon, not all of your items

Note the difference with: Cataclysm (" For each Summoned Stone on the map, perform 1 attack with a Magic weapon, measuring range and line of sight from a space containing a Summoned Stone. After resolving each attack, remove the Summoned Stone form the map ") and Molten Fury (" Perform an attack with a Magic weapon, measuring range and line of sight from a space containing a Summoned Stone. This attack gains: Burn .")

In these cases, your hero is attacking, therefore you are allowed to use the Mana Weave

3.) Yes

The class you mentioned is called Marshal in English (though I like the "Lawkeeper" name better :) ) and the skilll you are talking about is Zealous Fire (" Exhaust this card when the overlord plays an Overlord card. Recover 1 fatigue. When you refresh this card, choose 1 monster within 2 spaces of you. That monster suffers 1 damage .")

The restrictions for fatigue from the rulesbook : "When using skills or moving, a hero may only suffer fatigue up to an amount equal to his Stamina If any other game effect forces a hero to suffer fatigue in excess of his Stamina, he instead suffers damage equal to the excess fatigue that would have been suffered."

There is no restriction for not being able to recover fatigue.

PS. These aren't FFG's answers. I looked through the FAQ and the unofficial FFG Sez, but couldn't find neither one of your questions.

Edited by Winnetou19

I agree.

1) Yes, the geomancer can summon out of his LOS. However, remember that the space must be within 3 spaces, so you still have to be able to count to the space- you cannot summon on the other side of doors, or on the other side of obstacle terrain (unless counting around it is still less than 3.)

2) No. The geomancer can only add a surge to his attacks, not to his stone's attacks.

3) Yes. The fatigue recovery is inconsequential. It doesn't benefit you, but it doesn't prevent the ability from triggering.

The important thing to remember about summoning a Stone, though is that counting spaces is not the same as moving, so 3 spaces is exactly that: 3 spaces. you can place it in water or lava, place it past overgrowth or portcullis, place it past elevation. As long as it does not block you like Zaltyre said, you can place it there.

From personal experience, stones are great for getting that tricky "around the corner" shot or that "right in the middle of a monster mob" blast.

For Zealous Fire, the tricky part is having a monster within 2 spaces. a good OL will keep his monsters away from the Marshall, denying him the full use of Zealous Fire (after all, why use it if you neither gain fatigue, nor damage a monster?)

Edited by Alarmed

1) Yes, the geomancer can summon out of his LOS. However, remember that the space must be within 3 spaces, so you still have to be able to count to the space- you cannot summon on the other side of doors, or on the other side of obstacle terrain (unless counting around it is still less than 3.)

But he can summon a stone behind my figures? Even if 2 of three these spaces are those of my monster?

And another question - rest is only one of two actions, so you can move and rest each turn, for example?

Thank you for the answers!

Edited by MrZub

1) Yes. Spaces can be counted through monsters. Note that when counting spaces for abilities you ignore all non-obstacle terrain, and don't need LOS (meaning you can count through figures, too.) In fact, it has been ruled that in a case like the Necromancer (where she summons the Reanimate in an adjacent space) that if all spaces adjacent to her are occupied, she can just put the Reanimate in the closest available empty space. This isn't just a hero thing, the OL can take advantage of it, too- for example, when placing your reinforcements, if you can't place your monsters because all the spaces where you are instructed to spawn them are occupied, you can just put them as close as possible to that tile. That is, reinforcements cannot be blocked.

2) A rest is a single action. You can move and rest every turn. However, note that when you rest, you do not recover fatigue immediately, you recover it at the end of your turn.

EDIT: For reference, base game rulebook page 13. I bolded some stuff:

Some abilities require players to count the spaces from a figure to the target of the ability. When counting spaces for attacks and abilities, players ignore any non-obstacle terrain in those spaces (see “Terrain” on page 18). The player just needs to verify that his target is in range for the ability to reach the target. If an ability affects figures within a specified number of spaces, line of sight is not needed unless specifically noted . However, when counting spaces for an ability, players cannot count spaces through a door because the spaces are not considered adjacent.

Edited by Zaltyre

2) No. The geomancer can only add a surge to his attacks, not to his stone's attacks.

Can you cite where this comes from? I tend to agree with you and find your rules as generally authoritative, but to me it seems like Mana Weave is useable here.

Mana Weave simply says "After rolling attack dice, exhaust this card...." It doesn't say "After rolling attack dice for one of your attacks..."

You are rolling attack dice when you attack with/as the stone, so why wouldn't it apply?

Does the rule derive from the way familiars are treated in relation to equipment?

Thanks! :)

Simply put, Mana Weave is equipped on the Geomancer, not the stone. Therefore it can't use a Surge off Mana Weave.

Yes, it is precisely based on who has what equipped. You have the mana weave equipped. The summoned stone does not have anything equipped. It is only through "Terracall" that the stone uses your equipped magic weapon.

From the "Equipment" section, page 11:

"Any Shop Item or Class cards (such as starting equipment) can only be used while a hero has that card equipped."

If the argument is "it is equipped by a hero, neither the rule nor the card says who can use it," then I refer you to Steve-o's excellent response. If that is your position, than the OL can also exhaust your mana weave to add surges to his monster's attacks.

Edited by Zaltyre

Page 11 of the Rulebook:

Equipment
Each hero can carry any number of Shop Item, Class, and Search cards
he chooses. However, the number of these cards that a hero may equip is
limited. Hero players indicate which items are not equipped by flipping
them facedown or placing them under their Hero sheet. Any Shop Item
or Class cards (such as starting equipment) can only be used while a hero
has that card equipped.

Equipment Limits
These equip icons represent certain equipping restrictions:
Hands Armor Other
• Heroes have two hands. The combination of items they equip cannot
have more than two hand icons in total.
• A hero can equip only 1 Armor item.
• A hero can equip up to 2 Other items.
Cards that do not contain at least one of these icons can be equipped
without restriction. These cards remain faceup near the Hero sheet and
can be used as specified on the card.