Morning all.

Finally have my Force and Destiny book and I decided to see if I could get a rough approximation of Anakin through the films. As such I chose to build him like a normal Character and apply xp as per the Movies and the Clone Wars stuff. I've also decided that Phantom Menace is his backstory so the first build will be based of the beginning of Attack of the Clones. I am then hoping to build on that to get him to RotS and then to Vader as per the OT.

The problem I've stumbled on is right at the first hurdle though... What career to choose.

My question is, should I start him off as a Sentinel: Artisan due to his knack for building stuff and then branch into Star Fighter Ace, Shien Expert and Aggressor, or just dive straight into Star Fighter Ace and use the Mechanics skill to simulate his knack for Tech?

And please, I don't want this thread to devolve into a "I don't think you should stat him at all" marathon. I WANT to stat him for my own personal satisfaction and what I'm doing doesn't hurt anyone, so only advice pertinent to the topic please.

Thanks!

He would not start with a F&D character. Technician outlaw tech would likely be where he would start. Adding pilot specialization. Force sensitive emergent and the enhance force power.

Star Fighter Ace for sure. Anakin is for sure a Warrior. But then yeah, you've got him pretty covered with the trees you mention. Enhance, Move, Sense, Influence, and Bind. Foresee doesn't seem to be something he can control so you can leave it out. High agility and cunning, the rest average.

Personally I would start him with Warrior: Starfighter Ace if you are making Attack of the Clones his starting character point. Though I think you would need to start at Knight level to even do Attack of the Clones Anakin Justice.

He would then pick up Shien (for the Djem So side). He would have Enhance with a bit in that, and Move as a base power. I think that alone covers him in AoC. (Unless I'm forgetting something from the movie, which is entirely possible as I haven't seen it in a while.)

I personally consider Anakin from Ep I an "outside stats" character. So I begin his construction as a Warrior. Ace, and Shii-Cho probably. Mechanics would be enough to justify his past.

About lightsaber forms, well, no canon explanation so, Shii-Cho and maybe Agressor (as a preparation for Vader XD). Grant him some freely extra FR (1 or 2 as much). The rest, well, I would not stat him at that point with any stats at 5 (maybe only Agi or Cun but not sure), but he can easily have skill ranks at 3 or even more in Pilot (both?). He doesn't seems so skilled with the Force yet (fine manipulation with move yeah, but not so much actually). If he isn't a PC, Adversary 2 will be enough. As Vader I stat hom Adversary 4 XD

Good luck and share the final version (and other ones you have) when you have it please

Some interesting advice. Thanks all!

I was thinking perhaps Brawn and Agility at 3 just before Obiwan dismember him. Then apply that critical that gives permanent -1 Agility and 2 lots of +1 Brawn cybernetics for final Vader stats of 5 Brawn and 2 Agility. It would also explain Luke having a fighting chance with his Agility 3.

What do you all think?

Edit: Brain fart. He won't be using Agility with a saber anyway so ignore the above

Don't be conditioned by Vader stats... he would have apart rules to modify it as a Sith Lord. I still believe that if instead Luke was another person, Vader would defeated him, is a "remorse and doubts" thing. Vader in my opinion have Br 6 and a "not so bad" Agi, maybe still have 3. In StarWars.com, they called Vader the best pilot on the galaxy. So probably he still retains some good Agi.

So returning to Anakin, before the fight vs Obi, Br and Agi stats would be above 4.

I don't think you should stat him at... Sorry, I couldn't help myself!

Definitely agree with the others who state he should be a Warrior: Starfighter Ace.

I don't like the idea of Brawn 4 to be fair. He wasn't exactly muscular.

I think that Vader does seem to get his stats supercharged by people who think he should be awesome at everything, but I'm not in that camp.

I think a lot of what Vader was could have been hyped up out of fear or propaganda. Look at some of the communist leaders of this planet for example

(On the video there are two guys, one that apparently is a strong man and the other not so much as the first one apparently, on an arm wrestling competition. The "not so strong man" wins "easily").

Difference between Strenght and Volume XD

Vader, even Anakin is REALLY strong. About "supercharged Vader" even the sample on the first pages from core books stats that Vader, Yoda and co, could have stats of 6 even higher (pg 28? not sure), and... I'm aware is fear but... watch Rebels and ask Kanan, Ezra, Sabine and the rest of the Rebel fleet if its propaganda or not XDD Also Read the comics... Vader is just awesome! XD

So, no communist or imperialist propaganda here XD

Some interesting advice. Thanks all!

I was thinking perhaps Brawn and Agility at 3 just before Obiwan dismember him. Then apply that critical that gives permanent -1 Agility and 2 lots of +1 Brawn cybernetics for final Vader stats of 5 Brawn and 2 Agility. It would also explain Luke having a fighting chance with his Agility 3.

What do you all think?

Edit: Brain fart. He won't be using Agility with a saber anyway so ignore the above

Brawn has to be higher than 3, imo. He's a big guy. Just look at those shoulders. Especially in the TCW series which takes place between Ep. II and III. The actor who played Vader is 1.98m tall (6'6") so even twenty-year old Anakin must have been pretty imposing.

EDIT TO ADD:

Do you think of Obi Wan as a little guy? Anakin is notably taller and broader.

And he pretty thoroughly throws around Padmé's ex even without using the Force:

One more edit: Hayden Christensen sans shirt.

I'd say Warrior first, yeah. His very first specialization as a 9 year old is certainly starfighter ace (with the FR boost...). He probably also has enough of Sentinel and the Artisan tree to get the Force Rating boost there as well. (Midichlorians are off the scale, ya know.) He's pretty much born with enough Enhance to get the two piloting boosts (probably also boosts a bunch of other stuff due to the massive potential of his).

In Attack of the Clones, as a Padawan, he's picked up enough of shii cho to get the multiple opponents bonus. Improved Parry (which Shien doesn't have) and natural blademaster, but then started dumping all his points into Shien. While Padawan Anakin probably maxed the Djem So side of Shien, there may be parts of the Shien side he hasn't maxed yet. He's also started to pick up aggressor, and even the autoconflict generating ability terrify therein. Being the Chosen One, he eats Force Rating for breakfast, so he has another in that tree. If FR 4 isn't enough (and for Anakin it just might not be) throw Seer in and the two FR talents there. You get 'the Force is my Ally' on the way, which is pretty Chosen One style. In payment for all this, he spends relatively liked XP on his actual force power trees, having mostly just the basic abilities in most trees (Except Enhance, where he's pretty much maxed out). He does bond with an animal on Geonosis, so Pathfinder, Animal Empathy, Animal Bond and Force Rating (of course!) are all good ideas.

By ROTS, he's maxed his Form 5 tree. And I mean maxed. Every single talent. Picked up the Durable talents from Shii Cho and Sarlaac Sweep, probably Sum Djem as well, given what happened to Dooku. He's also maxed Starfighter Ace. He may also have picked up Protector from all that 'Save Padme!' practice, and being Anakin, grabbed the Force Rating talent as usual. Probably picked up Quick Movement from Pathfinder as well.

By ROTS, he's likely packing 4s in Brawn and Agility (He started with a set of 4 3s, choosing brawn/agility/cunning/willpower). He may even have 5 brawn (as he's going to get to 7 after taking a relaxing Lava Bath and adding the strength based cybernetics, which add +2 brawn), equally taking a permanent agility hit. By Mustafar, he must've picked up Heroic Fortitude and Against All Odds for Sidious to find him in time.

His Force Powers include: Enough Foresee for that fateful vision of Padme dying (and noticing his mother's death as well). Enough Heal/Harm to do his famous Force Choke. Enough Influence for his mind trick. Strength and Range upgrades to move, not necessarily magnitude yet. (He mostly throws multiple objects as Vader.) Certainly he has enough Seek to find his mom when kidnapped by Sand People. He's got Sense up the wazoo and not afraid to use it.

As Vader, he picks up enough protect to catch blaster bolts. (Though he does not use unleash. Heal/Harm is what Force Chokes. Unleash is more Sith Lightning, which he can't use), He may have lost some FR talents (he's less FR heavy as Vader, being down to 80% of the Emperor) but his Force Powers have much more XP spent on them as he refines his technique, like gaining all the magnitude upgrades of move. His saber technique has also improved, gaining enough Soresu for Supreme Parry (gotta protect that control panel), enough Makashi for Feint and Improved Presence (which has gone to at least 4 as Vader...) and enough Ataru for the Quick Strikes (and quick draw) His Aggressor is capped if it wasn't already, because he's gotten REALLY good at terrifying people. His discipline is much better in the suit as well, as is his raw lightsaber proficiency ranks. And he got really, really good at Coercion too. His piloting in both space and on planets is capped out, and his gunnery as well. Don't screw with Anakin or Vader in a starship battle. Add more and more parry and reflect talents from his various saber trees (and soak from his armor) to represent his ability to tank hits as well as he does. For all this stuff, though, remember he's 80% of Sidious...so whatever he has, Sidious will have more. So much more. Yoda will also have far more.

Poor old Luke, on the 2nd Death Star, confronting his OP dad and even more OP better then Yoda Emperor. By himself. Good thing dad's been eating reverse conflict for breakfast, lately...

Force Choke is very clearly Bind in my opinion.

I'd say Warrior first, yeah. His very first specialization as a 9 year old is certainly starfighter ace (with the FR boost...). He probably also has enough of Sentinel and the Artisan tree to get the Force Rating boost there as well. (Midichlorians are off the scale, ya know.) He's pretty much born with enough Enhance to get the two piloting boosts (probably also boosts a bunch of other stuff due to the massive potential of his).

In Attack of the Clones, as a Padawan, he's picked up enough of shii cho to get the multiple opponents bonus. Improved Parry (which Shien doesn't have) and natural blademaster, but then started dumping all his points into Shien. While Padawan Anakin probably maxed the Djem So side of Shien, there may be parts of the Shien side he hasn't maxed yet. He's also started to pick up aggressor, and even the autoconflict generating ability terrify therein. Being the Chosen One, he eats Force Rating for breakfast, so he has another in that tree. If FR 4 isn't enough (and for Anakin it just might not be) throw Seer in and the two FR talents there. You get 'the Force is my Ally' on the way, which is pretty Chosen One style. In payment for all this, he spends relatively liked XP on his actual force power trees, having mostly just the basic abilities in most trees (Except Enhance, where he's pretty much maxed out). He does bond with an animal on Geonosis, so Pathfinder, Animal Empathy, Animal Bond and Force Rating (of course!) are all good ideas.

By ROTS, he's maxed his Form 5 tree. And I mean maxed. Every single talent. Picked up the Durable talents from Shii Cho and Sarlaac Sweep, probably Sum Djem as well, given what happened to Dooku. He's also maxed Starfighter Ace. He may also have picked up Protector from all that 'Save Padme!' practice, and being Anakin, grabbed the Force Rating talent as usual. Probably picked up Quick Movement from Pathfinder as well.

By ROTS, he's likely packing 4s in Brawn and Agility (He started with a set of 4 3s, choosing brawn/agility/cunning/willpower). He may even have 5 brawn (as he's going to get to 7 after taking a relaxing Lava Bath and adding the strength based cybernetics, which add +2 brawn), equally taking a permanent agility hit. By Mustafar, he must've picked up Heroic Fortitude and Against All Odds for Sidious to find him in time.

His Force Powers include: Enough Foresee for that fateful vision of Padme dying (and noticing his mother's death as well). Enough Heal/Harm to do his famous Force Choke. Enough Influence for his mind trick. Strength and Range upgrades to move, not necessarily magnitude yet. (He mostly throws multiple objects as Vader.) Certainly he has enough Seek to find his mom when kidnapped by Sand People. He's got Sense up the wazoo and not afraid to use it.

As Vader, he picks up enough protect to catch blaster bolts. (Though he does not use unleash. Heal/Harm is what Force Chokes. Unleash is more Sith Lightning, which he can't use), He may have lost some FR talents (he's less FR heavy as Vader, being down to 80% of the Emperor) but his Force Powers have much more XP spent on them as he refines his technique, like gaining all the magnitude upgrades of move. His saber technique has also improved, gaining enough Soresu for Supreme Parry (gotta protect that control panel), enough Makashi for Feint and Improved Presence (which has gone to at least 4 as Vader...) and enough Ataru for the Quick Strikes (and quick draw) His Aggressor is capped if it wasn't already, because he's gotten REALLY good at terrifying people. His discipline is much better in the suit as well, as is his raw lightsaber proficiency ranks. And he got really, really good at Coercion too. His piloting in both space and on planets is capped out, and his gunnery as well. Don't screw with Anakin or Vader in a starship battle. Add more and more parry and reflect talents from his various saber trees (and soak from his armor) to represent his ability to tank hits as well as he does. For all this stuff, though, remember he's 80% of Sidious...so whatever he has, Sidious will have more. So much more. Yoda will also have far more.

Poor old Luke, on the 2nd Death Star, confronting his OP dad and even more OP better then Yoda Emperor. By himself. Good thing dad's been eating reverse conflict for breakfast, lately...

I'm generally one for NOT making people super-powerful just because they appear in the movies. Han is a low level Scoundrel to me with a Pilot specialization thrown in. Leia low-level diplomat, Luke starts off as a Force sensitive and Obi Wan is impressive, but not silly levels. I built a representative Ahsoka with around 400-500XP. However, if there's one character I would genuinely make an exception for, it's Anakin Skywalker. Chosen one and all that, tonnes of XP. I've got a rough build of him myself as Vader and iirc, I've got him hovering somewhere between two and three thousand XP at that point. He is and should be terrifying, imo. Even statted up during AotC, he should be pretty fearsome. He says at one point that he's more powerful than members of the council and I think that's meant to be taken as fact, or at least not meant to be dismissed as pure arrogance. Not Windu, probably, and Yoda would out-think him somehow, but he's up there, imo.

The one thing I'd dispute in the above, is the relative power between him and the Emperor. I know Angelalex242 takes into account a lot of EU stuff which I do not, so there may lie the difference, but imo I'd put as more powerful than the Emperor. At least by the Vader time-period. After all, he manages to best the Emperor when the Emperor is at the top of his game and Vader is down one hand, injured and has already had one epic fight just moments before (which he lost). Sure, Vader dies doing it, but he beats him. I've never seen the Emperor as that physically powerful. I see him as someone powerful in the Force who has maxed out a few of the less martial powers - Sense, Foresee, Influence, etc. He's not dangerous because he'll beat you senseless with a lightsabre, he's dangerous because he's a political mastermind with the cunning of a Borgia and evil as they get.

Of course the PT and those CW episodes where he duelled Savage and Maul kind of undercut that.

Thanks for all the input guys and gals. I shall now retire to my creepy cave on Dagobah with my rulebooks and see what happens.

Though I think posting my final creation here is probably a bad idea. It is very obvious to me that most if not all of you have a very different opinion of Super-Darth than I do It may not go down so well...

Thanks for all the input guys and gals. I shall now retire to my creepy cave on Dagobah with my rulebooks and see what happens.

Though I think posting my final creation here is probably a bad idea. It is very obvious to me that most if not all of you have a very different opinion of Super-Darth than I do It may not go down so well...

Meh, everything is a bad idea... from a Certain Point of View.

Post it - for every person who declares your build to be WRONG AND HERETICAL there are two of us who would be interested to see it and non-judgemental (ish ).

I'll be posting mine at some point, once it's done so you can return any criticisms then, if you like.

I'll disagree with majority here. I don't think Vader has a brawn higher than 4 even with cybernetics. He one hands a few people but that's pretty well within Brawn 4 territory. I'll vehemently disagree that he has brawn 7.

Brawn 6 would be something like this guy:

Pictured: Hafthor 'Thor' Bjornsson, A.K.A the Mountain from Game of Thrones season 4 dead-lifting almost 1,000 pounds.

He could easily be a brawny terror at 4 with a 5th boost from Enhance.

I'll concede that I have a different approach to characteristics that others, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I won't be upset if you disagree.

One more edit: Hayden Christensen sans shirt.

Well, to be fair he has plenty of time to practice...

Hmmm.... hmmm.... sorry my dear kaosoe but I don't agree at 100% XD

Not only the typical "bodybuilder" can achieve 5 or 6 from my point of view. Ani, seemed strong, not a colossus, but strong. Vader, again I'm thinking in Rebels and also on Ep 4 Cp. Antilles... seems REALLY strong. Apart from cyber-things, and enhance powers, his height and brawn seems so high. Enough to achieve 5 or 6.

As a general rule, yes, 5 or 6 should be reserved to those muscle builders, but not necessarely.

(A few half naked guys bodybuilding XD)

To be honest I also didn't want my thread to become lots of pictures and videos of topless men either...

Well, figure 6 in a characteristic is 'Olympic Gold Medalist.' Thus, you need a strength based gold medal to claim brawn 6, an agility based gold to claim agility 6, and a nobel prize in something or other to claim intellect 6.

Of course, Jedi of any sort throw all that out the window. For the Force is their ally, and a powerful ally it is.

Vader having brawn 7 is more the idea that he's basically like the Terminator at that point. Clearly superhuman, even before the Force.

I'll disagree with majority here. I don't think Vader has a brawn higher than 4 even with cybernetics. He one hands a few people but that's pretty well within Brawn 4 territory. I'll vehemently disagree that he has brawn 7.

Brawn 6 would be something like this guy:

Pictured: Hafthor 'Thor' Bjornsson, A.K.A the Mountain from Game of Thrones season 4 dead-lifting almost 1,000 pounds.

He could easily be a brawny terror at 4 with a 5th boost from Enhance.

I'll concede that I have a different approach to characteristics that others, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I won't be upset if you disagree.

I'm going to disagree. He picks someone up one-handed and holds them steady in front of his face. Steadily. That's not even strong-person territory, that's scary. Even allowing for a small adult male, you're doing a one-handed 65kg lift of uneven and wriggling weight-distribution. This guy could knock a Gamorran flat on it's backside. The man in your picture is dead-lifting just under 1,000lbs. I can probably dead-lift ten to fifteen times what I can lift in front of myself. Of course you said "Vader" not Anakin, so I don't know what time period you're talking of. I doubt Anakin in Ep II could one-hand lift someone in the air and hold them there. But still, he's a guy with a big frame. Brawn 4 is probably where I would place Anakin in Ep.II personally.

Morning all.

Finally have my Force and Destiny book and I decided to see if I could get a rough approximation of Anakin through the films. As such I chose to build him like a normal Character and apply xp as per the Movies and the Clone Wars stuff. I've also decided that Phantom Menace is his backstory so the first build will be based of the beginning of Attack of the Clones. I am then hoping to build on that to get him to RotS and then to Vader as per the OT.

The problem I've stumbled on is right at the first hurdle though... What career to choose.

My question is, should I start him off as a Sentinel: Artisan due to his knack for building stuff and then branch into Star Fighter Ace, Shien Expert and Aggressor, or just dive straight into Star Fighter Ace and use the Mechanics skill to simulate his knack for Tech?

And please, I don't want this thread to devolve into a "I don't think you should stat him at all" marathon. I WANT to stat him for my own personal satisfaction and what I'm doing doesn't hurt anyone, so only advice pertinent to the topic please.

Thanks!

Definitely Warrior: Starfighter Ace. No question! It's what we see him excel at. Also, seeing as how he has a lightsaber and has been a Jedi for a while, I'd go with Knight-level play, and take the extra 150XP for the myriad Force powers and stuff we see him do: Enhance (almost all of it), grab Shii-cho, Bind, maybe Influence (we see him use it in TCW, but I don't recall him using it in AotC).

-EF

I'll disagree with majority here. I don't think Vader has a brawn higher than 4 even with cybernetics. He one hands a few people but that's pretty well within Brawn 4 territory. I'll vehemently disagree that he has brawn 7.

Brawn 6 would be something like this guy:

Pictured: Hafthor 'Thor' Bjornsson, A.K.A the Mountain from Game of Thrones season 4 dead-lifting almost 1,000 pounds.

He could easily be a brawny terror at 4 with a 5th boost from Enhance.

I'll concede that I have a different approach to characteristics that others, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I won't be upset if you disagree.

I'm going to disagree. He picks someone up one-handed and holds them steady in front of his face. Steadily. That's not even strong-person territory, that's scary. Even allowing for a small adult male, you're doing a one-handed 65kg lift of uneven and wriggling weight-distribution. This guy could knock a Gamorran flat on it's backside. The man in your picture is dead-lifting just under 1,000lbs. I can probably dead-lift ten to fifteen times what I can lift in front of myself. Of course you said "Vader" not Anakin, so I don't know what time period you're talking of. I doubt Anakin in Ep II could one-hand lift someone in the air and hold them there. But still, he's a guy with a big frame. Brawn 4 is probably where I would place Anakin in Ep.II personally.

I always figure the choke Vader did was a force move power assisted by a hand that is just there to choke his victim... The whole thing was just way too stable to have been an actual lift by hand.

I'll disagree with majority here. I don't think Vader has a brawn higher than 4 even with cybernetics. He one hands a few people but that's pretty well within Brawn 4 territory. I'll vehemently disagree that he has brawn 7.

Brawn 6 would be something like this guy:

Pictured: Hafthor 'Thor' Bjornsson, A.K.A the Mountain from Game of Thrones season 4 dead-lifting almost 1,000 pounds.

He could easily be a brawny terror at 4 with a 5th boost from Enhance.

I'll concede that I have a different approach to characteristics that others, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I won't be upset if you disagree.

I'm going to disagree. He picks someone up one-handed and holds them steady in front of his face. Steadily. That's not even strong-person territory, that's scary. Even allowing for a small adult male, you're doing a one-handed 65kg lift of uneven and wriggling weight-distribution. This guy could knock a Gamorran flat on it's backside. The man in your picture is dead-lifting just under 1,000lbs. I can probably dead-lift ten to fifteen times what I can lift in front of myself. Of course you said "Vader" not Anakin, so I don't know what time period you're talking of. I doubt Anakin in Ep II could one-hand lift someone in the air and hold them there. But still, he's a guy with a big frame. Brawn 4 is probably where I would place Anakin in Ep.II personally.

I always figure the choke Vader did was a force move power assisted by a hand that is just there to choke his victim... The whole thing was just way too stable to have been an actual lift by hand.

Also, don't forget, robot arms