For some reason I thought they needed to sort of stay static where you place them... but a careful reading of the rules confirms that was just in my head.
Can you, say, shuffle up the cards assigned to a ship before your opponent flips one up in Precision Strike?
Thoughts?
Nothing Says you Can.
Nothing Says you Can't.
Personally, when dealing with Cards, Dealt either Face Up or Face Down, you don't touch them unless you're told... That's kind of a thing with cards, usually...
It is all personal opinion, though.
I would allow it because precision strike says Randomly. So to be random you have to shuffle them.
And there it is. I missed the "Randomly".
The issue with that Lyraeus is if the opponent gets to flip the damage card. That box allows the opponent to see what you have in addition to not seeing what attachments are on the ship.
I would disallow my opponent to use one of those since it is hiding information that should be known.
It's not hiding anything. It's just requiring you to go around to see. I can't read my opponent's cards from my side of the table anyway.
It's not hiding anything. It's just requiring you to go around to see. I can't read my opponent's cards from my side of the table anyway.
We aren't supposed to be able to see what face down damage cards are, this does reveal them to anyone with decent eyes or who is walking around to try and see what is going on (since really everything else that should be visible is hidden from your opponent).
I use Willii's hangar boxes for all my ships and squadrons - they are great, but I wouldn't allow this unless we were just joking around at home.
Edited by OgRib
It's not hiding anything. It's just requiring you to go around to see. I can't read my opponent's cards from my side of the table anyway.
We aren't supposed to be able to see what face down damage cards are, this does reveal them to anyone with decent eyes or who is walking around to try and see what is going on (since really everything else that should be visible is hidden from your opponent).
I use Willii's hangar boxes for all my ships and squadrons - they are great, but I wouldn't allow this unless we were just joking around at home.
With the cards positioned as they are (tilted toward your opponent) he only way you could see the text on the damage card is by lowering your face to the level of the table and squinting like a madman. This is not a legitimate or reasonable concern, as this would never happen casually or by accident.
Furthermore, if the time came for you to flip one of these damage cards, they could be easily taken out of the holder, placed face down, and shuffled.
Don't make mountains of molehills.
Edited by Tvayumat
It's not hiding anything. It's just requiring you to go around to see. I can't read my opponent's cards from my side of the table anyway.
We aren't supposed to be able to see what face down damage cards are, this does reveal them to anyone with decent eyes or who is walking around to try and see what is going on (since really everything else that should be visible is hidden from your opponent).
I use Willii's hangar boxes for all my ships and squadrons - they are great, but I wouldn't allow this unless we were just joking around at home.
With the cards positioned as they are (tilted toward your opponent) he only way you could see the text on the damage card is by lowering your face to the level of the table and squinting like a madman. This is not a legitimate or reasonable concern, as this would never happen casually or by accident.
Furthermore, if the time came for you to flip one of these damage cards, they could be easily taken out of the holder, placed face down, and shuffled.
Don't make mountains of molehills.
agree to disagree then
Not to knock a helpful guy's handy work, but I don't think either player is supposed to see what the facedown damage cards are. Can't think offhand of when it might matter much but being able to count the deck might matter more as more interesting stuff comes out.
That said, I don't see why you couldn't place the face down cards in a pile on the tray instead of upright.
Well sometimes you know what the face down cards are. Structural Damage is a great example.
The tilt is perfect for the use, and if people start pulling a Dano to get a models eye view you can remove the cards.
It's not hiding anything. It's just requiring you to go around to see. I can't read my opponent's cards from my side of the table anyway.
We aren't supposed to be able to see what face down damage cards are, this does reveal them to anyone with decent eyes or who is walking around to try and see what is going on (since really everything else that should be visible is hidden from your opponent).
I use Willii's hangar boxes for all my ships and squadrons - they are great, but I wouldn't allow this unless we were just joking around at home.
With the cards positioned as they are (tilted toward your opponent) he only way you could see the text on the damage card is by lowering your face to the level of the table and squinting like a madman. This is not a legitimate or reasonable concern, as this would never happen casually or by accident.
Furthermore, if the time came for you to flip one of these damage cards, they could be easily taken out of the holder, placed face down, and shuffled.
Don't make mountains of molehills.
Don't make mountains out of molehills huh?
What is wrong with just placing them on a table? Never have I or anyone that I have played against has had a space/room issue where the cards couldn't be on the table and not have to worry about potentially interfereing with the game.
To be perfectly honest, the holder seems to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist in addition to creating even more of a headache. If you have multiple upgrades on the ship then you have the problem of having to pick each of the cards to see what they do instead of having them flat on the table which does it perfectly for you.
There are tables and situations where they aren't enough room... OR, in my case, the only table is near the door, and a stiff breeze blows your upgrade cards across the table....
It's not hiding anything. It's just requiring you to go around to see. I can't read my opponent's cards from my side of the table anyway.
We aren't supposed to be able to see what face down damage cards are, this does reveal them to anyone with decent eyes or who is walking around to try and see what is going on (since really everything else that should be visible is hidden from your opponent).
I use Willii's hangar boxes for all my ships and squadrons - they are great, but I wouldn't allow this unless we were just joking around at home.
With the cards positioned as they are (tilted toward your opponent) he only way you could see the text on the damage card is by lowering your face to the level of the table and squinting like a madman. This is not a legitimate or reasonable concern, as this would never happen casually or by accident.
Furthermore, if the time came for you to flip one of these damage cards, they could be easily taken out of the holder, placed face down, and shuffled.
Don't make mountains of molehills.
Don't make mountains out of molehills huh?
What is wrong with just placing them on a table? Never have I or anyone that I have played against has had a space/room issue where the cards couldn't be on the table and not have to worry about potentially interfereing with the game.
To be perfectly honest, the holder seems to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist in addition to creating even more of a headache. If you have multiple upgrades on the ship then you have the problem of having to pick each of the cards to see what they do instead of having them flat on the table which does it perfectly for you.
It's a simple organization tool.
I can appreciate that you don't see the utility in it, but I can attest to the simple fact that some people experience needless anxiety or stress from having their cards and dials poorly organized. Setting them on the table leaves them vulnerable to elbow bumps, people leaning in and shifting them, even (as noted above) a stiff breeze, or any number of other factors.
I like to have all of my cards, dials, and tokens arranged neatly. A place for everything, and everything in it's place.
I'd encourage you to recognize that just because YOU personally gain nothing from the use of a tool like this, that doesn't mean others don't.
Furthermore, you'll find that the natural card tilt of the holder lets you read the card effects perfectly well without a great deal of shuffling. It's not as if people don't already pick cards up off the table to get a closer look.
Edited by TvayumatSo, you play precision strike and I remove my facedown cards from the holder shuffle them and lay them on the table. Beyond that if my opponent somehow eeks an advantage from the little try then wouldn't that be on me for using it in the first place?
...any number of other factors....
My regular opponent is quite often a disorganised mess something like this would be a great thing as damage done to a ship can be easily identified. I am sure that once or twice damage or tokens that belong to one ship get used on another.
Mind you maybe a magnetic whiteboard would be just as good, or a small piece of steel glued to some foamboard or such. Then you could lay the cards on it and put down a magnet to prevent the breeze blowing the game over. Or just a small piece of see through plastic to acts as a weight.
