I mean, come on! Scum needed the V-wing to fill that roll, not some ugly little known purple and brown bug.

Keep the stats the same, but give it evade and BR along with focus and TL. Salvaged astromech of course! Dial should be similar, dunno if I would give it a 5 straight... Maybe.

Later we can an imperial repaint!

It's just sad to see a ship that is FROM THE MOVIES and was actually shown to be used in the Emperial era and has a connection to scum not used at all for what ever reasons.

The aces pack with Vader's Eta-2 and 2 V-wings would sell like crazy, along with a scum V expansion. Consider it the Scyk without the need to handicap it with a 9 point cannon.

(Let the 'It's not a TIE' and 'it steps on too many toes' arguments commence!)

It is curious this ship hasn't made an appearance yet.

Maybe it's a bit too old. It is in RoTS, but it was used by the Empire for a while. We have headhunters which aren't "modern" ships by any means so I don't think it would be too far out there to include the V-Wing.

I assume it's just pushing too far back in the timeline than FFG is comfortable with. Though the fact they'll be pushing 30 years ahead with no problem is another matter.

I disagree. I flew a Scyk in Star Wars Galaxies during my 14-day trial and it was a lot of fun. That ship really grew on me. Conversely, I'v only seen V-wings in prequel era stuff. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that the V-wing feels out of place to me.

Despite my disagreement, thank you for your clear thread title. Many people would have left it as a click-bait "The problem with the Scyk is ..." and that would have driven me crazy. I love reading about the Scyk but this thread isn't really about the Scyk at all - it's about the V-wing. So gret job on an excellent thread title. May others follow your superb example.

EDIT: While I wouldn't want the Scyk replaced, I'm not against the V-wing. While Scum shares 3 ships withe the Rebels, it only shares one with the Empire. Could be neat to have another Scum/Imp ship.

I disagree. I flew a Scyk in Star Wars Galaxies during my 14-day trial and it was a lot of fun. That ship really grew on me. Conversely, I'v only seen V-wings in prequel era stuff. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that the V-wing feels out of place to me.

Despite my disagreement, thank you for your clear thread title. Many people would have left it as a click-bait "The problem with the Scyk is ..." and that would have driven me crazy. I love reading about the Scyk but this thread isn't really about the Scyk at all - it's about the V-wing. So gret job on an excellent thread title. May others follow your superb example.

EDIT: While I wouldn't want the Scyk replaced, I'm not against the V-wing. While Scum shares 3 ships withe the Rebels, it only shares one with the Empire. Could be neat to have another Scum/Imp ship.

It was really hard to resist using click bait...glad I did the noble thing!

I was happy to see v-Wings in Empire at war, which did put it well within the FFG timeline, but who knows what they think of as the timeline.

They certainly coexisted with Headhunters and Y-Wings.

Though the difference might be that the Rebellion has to use old junky ships whereas the empire would have no reason to keep running V-Wings when they have Tie Fighters.

They certainly coexisted with Headhunters and Y-Wings.

Though the difference might be that the Rebellion has to use old junky ships whereas the empire would have no reason to keep running V-Wings when they have Tie Fighters.

In the Lords of the Sith book which I would place at roughly Rebels era (Wave 8) the Empire still had V-wings

They certainly coexisted with Headhunters and Y-Wings.

Though the difference might be that the Rebellion has to use old junky ships whereas the empire would have no reason to keep running V-Wings when they have Tie Fighters.

In the Lords of the Sith book which I would place at roughly Rebels era (Wave 8) the Empire still had V-wings

Lords of the sith is 5 years after ep 3.

But the problem with the V-Wing is that its not the V-Wing. The V-Wing is from the Rogue Squadron games so it would be Rebel affiliated. (There are way too many ships with that name).

In all seriousness though although I would love to see it Im pretty sure that FFG wants to stay as far away from things that people will only recognize from the prequel movies (the movies specifically not necessarily the the time period as we have Z-95s and Y-Wings) since they have something of a negative stigma attached to them in the eyes of many Star Wars fans.

The Scyk's problem is its stats and its cost, not its looks. I think it's one of the coolest looking ships around and I don't think that I'm alone. I'd like to use the ones that I've bought but I just can't find a reason to.

The Scyk's problem is its stats and its cost, not its looks. I think it's one of the coolest looking ships around and I don't think that I'm alone. I'd like to use the ones that I've bought but I just can't find a reason to.

I use them anyway ... and then grit my teeth every time they get 1-shotted. You would think I'd be used to that by now, but before Scum, I mostly flew Y-wings, not TIE Fighters, so the feeling of getting destroyed in 1 hit is new to me.

I think scum are happier having a snub fighter than a speeder.

Which V-wing?

They certainly coexisted with Headhunters and Y-Wings.

Though the difference might be that the Rebellion has to use old junky ships whereas the empire would have no reason to keep running V-Wings when they have Tie Fighters.

In the Lords of the Sith book which I would place at roughly Rebels era (Wave 8) the Empire still had V-wings

Lords of the sith is 5 years after ep 3.

LotS takes place before Tarkin, which also had V-Wings in it. But that was still probably between 5 and 10 years after RotS.

Rebels is roughly 5 years before A New Hope.

It's too Starfox.

It's too Starfox.

you say that like it's in any way a bad thing

I would definitely say no to ETA-2 interceptor, that's way to far back. I get it would make sense until Vader got his shiny TIE advanced but it was the star space ship of Episode 3, and I know what i'm about to suggest does kind of defeat that purpose, but It would make more sense for the ships I'm about to suggest, which will cover multiple ships, instead of just a one off ship that has to have other "named" pilots filled in.

Now the V-wing itself would be a really cool ship idea, for empire/scum. I know I have bashed on people supporting this in the past, but the idea has slowly grown on me. maybe making these ships have slightly higher point costs (maybe around the X-wings level of point cost), to signify that they are getting harder to find, as they are being phased out, would work rather nicely.

Instead of the ETA-2 I would suggest the ARC-170 starfighter, those are mentioned in Tarkin as being slowly phased out due to rising cost. These ships would also make a good scum ship, and we could have a forward/rear arc on them like the Firespray/ghost. Their points cost would be around the same as the E-wing/defender, because they are hard to find parts for (at least imperial, they would be slightly less in scum, because I would imagine most scum pilots would trade out the engines for something more reliable as soon as possible.)

Maybe an "early era" empire pack with 1 arc-170 and 2 V-wings, as well as cards for their scum versions, would work really well, similar to your ETA/V-wing idea.

Well - it's certainly something possible - the V-wing (as in Palpatine's escort from Episode III) is amongst the fighters statted out in the Age of Rebellion aces sourcebook Stay On Target, alongside a load of TIE fighters (the Interdictor - renamed Punisher - Phantom, Oppressor, and Hunter).

Having the V-wing as a Scum ship would be fine - provided you can explain where it fits in their tactical spectrum - as a sort of interceptor analogue I think it's fairly easy to slot in - but the problem comes in the Imperial side. Firstly, the 'slightly slower, shielded interceptor' space is solidly filled by the incoming TIE Advanced Prototype. Secondly, astromech slots in imperial ships open up a whole raft of problems; do you make them yet another type of astromech? Or have the problem with the Imperials using astromechs which were intended to be scum- or rebel-only?

Why would it get an astromech slot?

The V-Wing fits precisely 1 kind of 'mech, the Q7, which is /spherical/. It physically cannot fit the usual types.

What I'd do is just give it TL to represent the superglued Q7, it otherwise wouldn't be super likely to have that action.

But the likelihood of seeing it in X-Wing is slim-to-none.

Why would it get an astromech slot?

The V-Wing fits precisely 1 kind of 'mech, the Q7, which is /spherical/. It physically cannot fit the usual types.

What I'd do is just give it TL to represent the superglued Q7, it otherwise wouldn't be super likely to have that action.

But the likelihood of seeing it in X-Wing is slim-to-none.

I learned something new today,

Q7

V-wings as standard lack hyperdrives, so as pirate vessels are extremely limited. Syck is a hutt commissioned ship. Makes more sense, also was a beloved ship from SWG like the Decimator.

Why would it get an astromech slot?

The V-Wing fits precisely 1 kind of 'mech, the Q7, which is /spherical/. It physically cannot fit the usual types.

What I'd do is just give it TL to represent the superglued Q7, it otherwise wouldn't be super likely to have that action.

But the likelihood of seeing it in X-Wing is slim-to-none.

Q7s sound like scavenged astromechs a to me. And scum is always modifying their ships and/or droids, so why couldn't 'genius' fit into a scum V-wing, especially if we give the V a title for one point that gives it a bomb slot? Bomber V-wings were a thing after all.

Oh and I have no love fo SWG or any of its ships. Sorry. X-wing/TIE Fighter was my bag, back in the day.

If you compare stats, V-wings actually aren't much worse then TIEs, it's their cost. A sub-par Squint costs the same as an X-wing (120,000 $$ roughly), and a standard TIE costs 10k (big difference).

Stat-wise, it has roughly same maneuverability, it's slower, though it has faster acceleration (no 5 straight, but more green straights), and it has limited shields.

Imo it's really the only prequel ship that actually fits in-game, as a scum ship.

No prequel ship belongs in this game gcw onwards!

I mean, come on! Scum needed the V-wing to fill that roll, not some ugly little known purple and brown bug.

No thanks.

I would much rather ships from Respectable star wars than lame wars

It is curious this ship hasn't made an appearance yet.

Maybe it's a bit too old. It is in RoTS, but it was used by the Empire for a while. We have headhunters which aren't "modern" ships by any means so I don't think it would be too far out there to include the V-Wing.

I assume it's just pushing too far back in the timeline than FFG is comfortable with. Though the fact they'll be pushing 30 years ahead with no problem is another matter.

Which is a shame - I'd buy a Clone Wars fleet in a heartbeat!