it has a forward fire arc

no primary attack value

no turret symbol on its base

but it is modeled with a turret

am I the only one confused by this?

That funny target lock looking icon is the Epic hard point, which means it can mount one of the Epic turrets -- quad laser, single turbo laser, etc.

It can equip a hard point like Quad Laser Cannons, which presumably would fire out of that forward arc.

yes, I understand that, but why model a turret and not have that function?

yes, I understand that, but why model a turret and not have that function?

Y-wing. Edit: I think the devs know that there have been a lot of complaints about PWTs. I agree with you now that I think about it: where are the forward-facing guns on a Gozanti? I'm not sure of the answer.

That funny target lock looking icon is the Epic hard point, which means it can mount one of the Epic turrets -- quad laser, single turbo laser, etc.

That's the one.

Perhaps it's a forward-facing weapon placement, not necessarily a turret.

but the guns are facing aft in on the model?

Apparently they have a heck of an engine wash and cant see behind the engines?

Perhaps it's a forward-facing weapon placement, not necessarily a turret.

but the guns are facing aft in on the model?

Maybe there are new Epic hardpoint weapons coming that we don't know about?

Perhaps it's a forward-facing weapon placement, not necessarily a turret.

but the guns are facing aft in on the model?

Maybe there are new Epic hardpoint weapons coming that we don't know about?

good point

Design>fluff?

I think the hardpoint icon more than makes up for its lack of primary weapon.

Also, Design>Fluff. This is the Imperial equivalent of the Rebel Transport. Makes sense that its basic loadout doesn't come with a weapon, which is compounded by the fact that it carries fighters that can be deployed to defend it.

I could understand the fire arc for purposes of rules that state inside or outside fire arc.

but the only physical hard point is a turret, why not put the turret symbol on the base?

and secondary weapons have almost always used the printed fire arc even on the epic ships

The same reason the Y-wing and Hawks don't have a turret symbol on their bases -- it's not the primary weapon, but an add on.

Perhaps it's a forward-facing weapon placement, not necessarily a turret.

but the guns are facing aft in on the model?

Maybe there are new Epic hardpoint weapons coming that we don't know about?

good point

'Can only be fired at targets outside the primary fire arc'?

I dunno, seems a bit of a stretch.

I get the importance of gameplay, but annoying lore fails like this are annoying. The Gozanti has a rear-firing weapon modeled, if it's not a turret outright. A forward-only fire arc on the base is exactly the opposite of what the model visibly shows.

That's annoying.

The front fire arc could have something to do with fighter deployment. Maybe the TIE's are not allowed to deploy out the front firing arc? Thematically that wouldn't make much sense, but if the Gozanti can move and then deploy fighters straight out it's front arc, it might give the fighters too much reach in the first turn. I don't know.

New epic weapon example

Turret mounted quad cannon
Attack 3, range 1-3
You may choose to roll one fewer die to declare as target an enemy outside of your firing arc.

You may spend 1 Energy to perform this attack again. You cannot attack again this round.

There, fixed. Now it has a turret like weapon that uses the frontal firing arc while having the option to attack 360 without being broken.

Perhaps it's a forward-facing weapon placement, not necessarily a turret.

but the guns are facing aft in on the model?

Maybe there are new Epic hardpoint weapons coming that we don't know about?

good point

'Can only be fired at targets outside the primary fire arc'?

I dunno, seems a bit of a stretch.

I get the importance of gameplay, but annoying lore fails like this are annoying. The Gozanti has a rear-firing weapon modeled, if it's not a turret outright. A forward-only fire arc on the base is exactly the opposite of what the model visibly shows.

That's annoying.

More annoying than speculation posts about a minor detail that may be fully covered with the other contents of the ship? Given that outside "this is coming out and oh some ties too" we have no information on it?

I think not.

That's annoying.

But it's also not something FFG has control over always. The model has to be approved by Lucas Arts, and that would mean making it look like it does on the show, which includes that turret/rear gun. The CR-90 has 2 turrets on the front of the ship, and 4 guns on the side, yet it only has a single primary attack.

The forward arc is there because otherwise things like Backstabber doesn't kick in, like what you have with the transport. So there is likely something you can use with that ship that requires a primary arc so they gave it one.

It's very possible the ship will come with a turret epic hard-point weapon that would be used with that rear gun.

The same reason the Y-wing and Hawks don't have a turret symbol on their bases -- it's not the primary weapon, but an add on.

the y-wings have a specific turret upgrade, so this would be different.

the article says they were used as transports and armored imperial combat ships. maybe there will be an upgrade card that will give it the ability to mount a weapon that can fire at a target outside your fire arc

Actually, the gozanti has a ventral single laser turret and a dorsal double laser cannon turret. I myself wondered about the firing arc and the represented physical turret. It does seem odd, my only hope is that they do a point defence turret with 360 degree firing.

I also thought that an ordnance launcher on an epic ship would be cool.

Uhm ... except for the Prototype at GenCon, we have seen nothing like the final product (the GenCon-proto also has the usual "Pending Liscensor Approval"-label right next to it) ... all the shots in the previews are obvious renderings and hence still subject ot change...

Also, the Llambda is modeled with a rear facing gun/turret but it has no rear firing arc. The Design AND the lore support a dual laser cannon on the back of the thing but you dont get the option to se it or equip it.
I will honestly not be surprised if the Gozanti only has use of a forward firing arc despite the model and the fluff.

Also, the Llambda is modeled with a rear facing gun/turret but it has no rear firing arc. The Design AND the lore support a dual laser cannon on the back of the thing but you dont get the option to se it or equip it.

I will honestly not be surprised if the Gozanti only has use of a forward firing arc despite the model and the fluff.

I would really not understand why FFG would do that.

I mean, heck, a rear-only arc would actually be interesting. Nothing else in the game is handled in quite such a way, and it would result in a ship that definitely flies differently than anything else.

Kiloden, you make a fair point. After pulling out my CR-90 and looking at it some more, and reviewing the manual, I tend to agree with Xanderf. I'm not sure the Gozanti WILL come with a turret. Unless there is a new category of hard point weapon (which is possible), in fact, I doubt it WILL come with a turret. Here's my thinking/research:

Check out here: http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Hardpoints

and here: http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Single_Turbolasers

On the CR-90, those hard points can fire into the printed firing arcs

Without filling a hard point, the CR-90 only has one gun, the turret, as printed on the token/base. It can cover roughly 270 degrees in the front, right and left arc. It cannot attack targets behind the CR-90, nor can it attack targets that are attacking from the aft section where the line of sight would cross the midline.

However, if you mount a weapon on a hard point in the fore or aft section, it can fire in the printed firing arcs -- which are "broadsides" on the CR-90 base, and count for purposes of the firing arc effects (i.e. Backstabber's ability).

The art and the mini depict the single turbolaser as "turrets" but their game effects are purely arc related. Interestingly enough, on the CR-90, the weapons can fire from either side of the ship each round (although not more than once a round per hardpoint, IIRC).

It's possible they'll come up with a new type of hardpoint weapon that incorporates a turret design, but until we see it, I think we are safe to assume the Gozanti will, like the Raider, be turret-less.

The weapon on the Gozanti is rear mounted in terms of placement on the ship. There is a clear line of fire at 360 degrees from the weapon placement. Being that it is placed so far back it's silly to think that it wouldn't be able to cover the rear arc.

But given the nature of current hard points it doesnt seem likely.