Emperor Palpatine: Overated?

By Seanamal, in X-Wing

I hit post before it was ready by accident. will repost this later under a topic header.

Edited by Seanamal

No need. The answer is no.

Actually you know what? He is super overrated, no one should use him......

Edited by Sacimino40

No need. The answer is no.

All day err day..

He's definitely of rapidly decreasing value the larger your list is, unless you have some focused purpose for him (IE., anti-pursuit lasers on a ship...that now crit every. single. time.)

But for small/elite lists, he's definitely super handy. LIFE saver for the elite Interceptor lists, for example.

In my proxy testing with him, I'm currently undefeated.

He's solidly a Thing, and is to be seen whether TLT will be enough to hinder his presence in the meta.

forgive me

In my proxy testing with him, I'm currently undefeated.

He's solidly a Thing, and is to be seen whether TLT will be enough to hinder his presence in the meta.

forgive my ignorance. TLT?

Tlt wrecks his shuttle something fierece :P

He wasn't enough to savp vaderr from the net (+turrets)

But he makes for I lot of great DO-ET jokes :D

Dice fixing is always amazing, he's just balanced and notvstupid like c3po

Edited by ficklegreendice

imo very overcosted, he should have costed 6 points or stayed 8 but only 1 crew

forgive me

In my proxy testing with him, I'm currently undefeated.

He's solidly a Thing, and is to be seen whether TLT will be enough to hinder his presence in the meta.

forgive my ignorance. TLT?

Twin Laser Turret, a new turret in Wave 7.

Edited by sleet01

imo very overcosted, he should have costed 6 points or stayed 8 but only 1 crew

Well, I'm sure your opinion is well founded due to the weeks of thorough and focused playtesting you've done.

forgive me

In my proxy testing with him, I'm currently undefeated.

He's solidly a Thing, and is to be seen whether TLT will be enough to hinder his presence in the meta.

forgive my ignorance. TLT?

Twin Laser Turret, a new turret in Wave 7.

thank you

imo very overcosted, he should have costed 6 points or stayed 8 but only 1 crew

Well, I'm sure your opinion is well founded due to the weeks of thorough and focused playtesting you've done.

snicker-snack!

I don't think he's worth 8 points and 2 crew slots in normal play, but I have yet to beat him in a game so go figure.

Overrated but underestimate

8 points because stupid flexible (any one of your red or green dice, UNLIMITED POWAH range)

2 crew slots because the man needs his chair

He needs two crew slots because he takes large strides.

imo very overcosted, he should have costed 6 points or stayed 8 but only 1 crew

Well that depends. To me I consider him very much an Imperial Version of C-3PO in the ability to gain a guaranteed evade result. However with the emperor he is way more powerful than C-3PO. C-3PO can be used up to every turn but in reality he only works when dice fail. If you guess 0 evades and get 1 evade technically C-3PO has done nothing. The emperor you can guarantee he works every turn because you don't guarantee an evade or hit as much as you make an evade or a hit. The only way to not get a chance to use the Emperor is not rolling dice or getting a crit and evade for each roll.

Now is he worth 2 crew slots and 8 squadron points? A great deal of the Shuttle's and Decimator's strengths are crew upgrade combinations and the emperor takes that ability away. The squadron point level I think it is well costed although Major Juggler I think puts him as 2 point over for some reason (might want to check the formula again).

Edited by Marinealver

Personally, I think it breathes some life into the Shuttle and is an indirect upgrade to HLC-wielding TIE Defenders.

He needs two crew slots because he has a royal guard with him.

I originally thought "Crap, no more killing Interceptors", but as you consider the cost and the ships he can actually fit on, I think he's perfect.

The shuttle can really use him since it's usually flown with TIEs, Defenders, or Ints (around here). The Deci will have to make a decent sacrifice to bring him along, so I think I'm ok with that pairing.

I can't really give a firm opinion on the matter, however, since I haven't used or flown against him.

Edited by Scojo

I think the 2 crew was at least in part a thematic restriction. Otherwise you could put him on a Firespray, and that would have been weird.

Overcosted? I think you're not giving it enough credit. Any dice, any ship, every round, after you see the result. That's huge.

Also, maybe he'll be pretty good on Kenkirk along with Isard? Thoughts?

In the games I've played with his proxy, he went undefeated and proved to be a monster. I disagree with what has been said in this thread, the more ships, the better! I played with him in a 300pts game, you get to pick the best opportunity available. More ships == more opportunities, and less of a percentage of total ship cost he takes (29pts in 100 is quite a lot, 29pts in 300 is nothing).

His use gets very subtle when dealing with high-PS or low-PS, you have to predict which situation will benefit most from his help (for instance, you really want Soontir at range 1 to get 3hits 1crit), but you also need a safety net, a place to use him if the main situation doesn't arise (you rolled hit hit focus focus and you had a focus with Soontir), where his ability is not totally wasted. That's why he's really good in Epic, because there's a never-ending stream of good situations for him to help with.

We also laughed that he had an indirect effect as well. Kind of a Murphy's law, where you rolled so well because you had him, so you didn't get to use him on your primary situation.

I am most impressed when using him on Soontir or on Phantoms which only have 0-1 attack modifiers. I had a game with Vader, Soontir and Palpamobile, both small ships were rolling crits or adding crits like crazy...

He needs two crew slots because he takes large strides.

He needs two crew slots due to all that junk in the trunk

...sorry I couldn't help it :-P

Also, maybe he'll be pretty good on Kenkirk along with Isard? Thoughts?

It's really strong. I played that along with Soontir, and in both games I played Soontir felt invincible and Kenkirk turned into a brick wall when his shields went down.

Disclaimer: I only played two games with them and my opponent was running old 3-ship rebel synergy builds

Edited by quasistellar