Raider too Newquel?

By patox, in X-Wing

Well I have mine now and I've held it in my kits and I have no complex about details.

That things all engine and guns it's a thing of beauty.

So many posts that I can't really quote you all, but check out all the various shots of the cockpits in the TIEs. There are no 3D simulations, nor layerd screens all around, nor anything other than a sh*tty little targeting computer. Hell, Vader even looks the wrong way when his wingman is shot while he is trying to see what is going on.

It's almost like space fantasy produced in the 70s requires a bit of fan imagination to keep up with developing technologies...

The important thing here is that we are never shown the internal view of any of these helmets. There is nothing directly contradicting the possibility of in-helmet HUDs.

If anything, there's evidence to support that the standard Imperial combat helmet needs virtual assistance to be useful ("I can't see a thing in this helmet!" Of course Luke wouldn't have access to any ID coded internal visualization system)

Yeah, exactly. I know we never see this in the movies or anything, but you know. C'mon, it's there. You know it is. Otherwise, people jack your ships and use your weapons against you. Just like how Stinger Missiles have built in IFF so enemies can't capture them then shoot down friendly ships.

When you're the top military force in the galaxy, everyone else is a "resistance" force.

not to sound overly against the OP, but

there is literally no such thing as "newquel"

we're out of OT material, everything's a "newquel" relative to that

(though the raider itself is billed anti-squadron capital ship that was developed post-Endor, when they finally realized "oh wait, FIGHTERS did that to us!?" even though they should've known from Yavin) <_<

Um Lancer class frigate.

Losing peripheral vision in a TIE is almost as bad as not knowing where the bulk of your fighter is in something like, say, a B wing.

A good pilot knows the proportions of his fighter at all times.

Losing peripheral vision in a TIE is almost as bad as not knowing where the bulk of your fighter is in something like, say, a B wing.

A good pilot knows the proportions of his fighter at all times.

That's true although the problem with the B-Wing is that you may not always know WHERE those proportions are currently located.

Losing peripheral vision in a TIE is almost as bad as not knowing where the bulk of your fighter is in something like, say, a B wing.

A good pilot knows the proportions of his fighter at all times.

Given how big a TIE is, the raider only has like 3 or 4 people sitting in chairs in the bridge, right? :P

A bridge crew of 5 people wouldn't be unreasonable. And compare those two?

But it's not as if the CR-90 deck plans really work, and let's not mention the Lambda Shuttle :P.

Well good luck in finding much logic in star wars.

Given how big a TIE is, the raider only has like 3 or 4 people sitting in chairs in the bridge, right? :P

A bridge crew of 5 people wouldn't be unreasonable. And compare those two?

But it's not as if the CR-90 deck plans really work, and let's not mention the Lambda Shuttle :P.

Well good luck in finding much logic in star wars.

For the Force's sake... we've got sound in space, starfighters that behave like atmospheric fighters, and "laser cannons" that are clearly plasma weaponry.

It's not even really sci-fi, it's Space Fantasy. The fundamental story is about a young peasant (who of course has a great destiny) hooking up with an aged wizard who gives him the strength to take on the evil Emperor and his Dark Knight by rescuing the Princess. Eventually we'll all accept that Star Wars is the "Rule of Cool" made manifest, but until then...

For every clever detail in SW, there are ten that make no sense at all.

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If George RR Martin was doing the world building on Star Wars, we'd have complete schematics of every weld and rivet on each ship of every faction of the Galaxy. We'd know not only the name of the Raider's lead designer, but also what the preferred breakfast of her romantic partner(s).

If George RR Martin were writing Star Wars, the universe would be vast, consistent, wild, and the first new movie would be coming out Christmas 2025.

Nope. OP is wrong.

If George RR Martin was doing the world building on Star Wars, we'd have complete schematics of every weld and rivet on each ship of every faction of the Galaxy. We'd know not only the name of the Raider's lead designer, but also what the preferred breakfast of her romantic partner(s).

If George RR Martin were writing Star Wars, the universe would be vast, consistent, wild, and the first new movie would be coming out Christmas 2025.

The raider looks slick in the photos. Can't wait to get mine in the mail. A mile long ISD has room for skyline contours. A 150m ship would look ridiculous with the same. The CR-90 is built to dock with other ships and perform multiple rolls so it makes sense to have its different profile features. The Raider has a single function. It will cut through the enemy like a knife.

And who is to say LFL didn't do the majority of the designing. Maybe FFG asked for a specific sized imperial corvette and LFL did the rest.

But I watched the South Park trilogy about GoT so I can say with certainty that I'm glad he didn't write the next movie. I'll take a Jar Jar centric Clone Wars episode over Luke + Leia romance and floppy lightsabers.

Glad to see you're so informed...

Looking at the design closer, I think the decks...eh...maybe it's not as ridiculous as to be impossible, but the layout would always end up a bit odd.

Still, the ships seems to lack...'greebles'...that give Star Wars vehicles their 'lived in/realistic' look to them.

Like, off the top of my head - putting some communication masts on top of the bridge area already helps fix it up, some. A large sensor dome would also work.

Looking at the design closer, I think the decks...eh...maybe it's not as ridiculous as to be impossible, but the layout would always end up a bit odd.

Still, the ships seems to lack...'greebles'...that give Star Wars vehicles their 'lived in/realistic' look to them.

Like, off the top of my head - putting some communication masts on top of the bridge area already helps fix it up, some. A large sensor dome would also work.

Greebles! There is a word for everything!

Well, that is exactly what this model is lacking.

OLD AND BUSTED v NEW HOTNESS.

Play Armada, you can have old busted and new hotness

Um Lancer class frigate.

Well, under the new canon, there is no lancer. In fact, the only EU ships that currently exist are the ones from Rebels, the Clone Wars, and whatever has shown up in the books/comics released under the new canon.

That means no E Wings, no Lancer, no Phantom, no Defender, etc. At this stage the Lancer is more canon than anything released under the old EU.

Losing peripheral vision in a TIE is almost as bad as not knowing where the bulk of your fighter is in something like, say, a B wing.

A good pilot knows the proportions of his fighter at all times.

That's true although the problem with the B-Wing is that you may not always know WHERE those proportions are currently located.

Seriously doubt this even in the 70s interpretation of Star Wars. Positional feedback was almost remedial at the time. Also, outside takeoff and landing, it's not a huge deal. B-Wings aren't necessarily bobbing and weaving through obstacle courses.

But even if you know the direction the rest of the B-Wing is sprawled out from the cockpit, like others have said, a pilot has to get flight hours in to begin to gain a feel of his craft. Think about driving. When you started, you likely had a hard time judging where the right side of your vehicle ended (left in UK), but overtime you got pretty good at it. I imagine rookies or the less experienced had a hell of a time with it, especially in combat (wookiepedia supports that).

At the end of the day, though, it's a fictional air/spacecraft. Interpret it the way you like most lol

Losing peripheral vision in a TIE is almost as bad as not knowing where the bulk of your fighter is in something like, say, a B wing.

A good pilot knows the proportions of his fighter at all times.

That's true although the problem with the B-Wing is that you may not always know WHERE those proportions are currently located.

Losing peripheral vision in a TIE is almost as bad as not knowing where the bulk of your fighter is in something like, say, a B wing.

A good pilot knows the proportions of his fighter at all times.

Great, but on a B wing they rotate around you, so all your training about turning and limitations change from moment to moment and outside your field of vision.

That's true. Im glad someone actually understands how a B-wing should fly.

Most people seem to think the cockpit is what rotates but it's actually the entire frame that rotates around the cockpit.

This would actually make it quite mobile and one of the few Star Wars ships that would work in real space.

There is a cool we space battle at the start of the 90's Lost in Space film.

The fighters move kinda like how a B-wing should.

If George RR Martin was doing the world building on Star Wars, we'd have complete schematics of every weld and rivet on each ship of every faction of the Galaxy. We'd know not only the name of the Raider's lead designer, but also what the preferred breakfast of her romantic partner(s).

If George RR Martin were writing Star Wars, the universe would be vast, consistent, wild, and the first new movie would be coming out Christmas 2025.

I haven't read his books and only saw the first episode of his show. But I watched the South Park trilogy about GoT so I can say with certainty that I'm glad he didn't write the next movie. I'll take a Jar Jar centric Clone Wars episode over Luke + Leia romance and floppy lightsabers. (The spoof theme song cracks me up.

Clearly you have no clue what your talking about.

Game of Thrones is EASILY one of the best things on tv in a long time.

And the books are far far better. You get so much more back story and much more detail.

I've read Steven King and he is one to go into a lot of detail but the boring kind that has no impact on the story.

I still love IT though.

You mean this?

That would be terrible in real life, you'd constantly not only have to be aware of your surroundings but of the location of your ship as well. A fixed ship like the X-Wing alllows you to nearly forget about that and just know the size of your ship.

There's also no need for the cockpit to keep to an artificial plane in space.

Um Lancer class frigate.

Well, under the new canon, there is no lancer. In fact, the only EU ships that currently exist are the ones from Rebels, the Clone Wars, and whatever has shown up in the books/comics released under the new canon.

That means no E Wings, no Lancer, no Phantom, no Defender, etc. At this stage the Lancer is more canon than anything released under the old EU.

I'll be damned if Im gonna let some business suits with far too much money tell me that the bulk of the last 30 years of material doesn't count any more. (shakes fist at young wipper snappers)

Um Lancer class frigate.

Well, under the new canon, there is no lancer. In fact, the only EU ships that currently exist are the ones from Rebels, the Clone Wars, and whatever has shown up in the books/comics released under the new canon.

That means no E Wings, no Lancer, no Phantom, no Defender, etc.

Newcanon books and computer games have been re-importing things fast though. Star Wars Commander imported the TIE Defender, various books have used the Immobilizer-class Interdictor cruiser, and so forth.

Um Lancer class frigate.

Well, under the new canon, there is no lancer. In fact, the only EU ships that currently exist are the ones from Rebels, the Clone Wars, and whatever has shown up in the books/comics released under the new canon.

That means no E Wings, no Lancer, no Phantom, no Defender, etc. At this stage the Lancer is more canon than anything released under the old EU.

The Defenders have been marked as canon, at least. They have not yet revealed their canonic backstory, but they have said they are canon.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

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You mean this?

That would be terrible in real life, you'd constantly not only have to be aware of your surroundings but of the location of your ship as well. A fixed ship like the X-Wing alllows you to nearly forget about that and just know the size of your ship.

There's also no need for the cockpit to keep to an artificial plane in space.

Yeah that's the battle, I will admit I remembered it a little differently but the point still stands.

And no its got little to do with keeping the pilot on an artificial plane (though it would work make navigation a little easier perhaps) its all about keeping the pilot at the center of gravity.

If George RR Martin was doing the world building on Star Wars, we'd have complete schematics of every weld and rivet on each ship of every faction of the Galaxy. We'd know not only the name of the Raider's lead designer, but also what the preferred breakfast of her romantic partner(s).

If George RR Martin were writing Star Wars, the universe would be vast, consistent, wild, and the first new movie would be coming out Christmas 2025.

I haven't read his books and only saw the first episode of his show. But I watched the South Park trilogy about GoT so I can say with certainty that I'm glad he didn't write the next movie. I'll take a Jar Jar centric Clone Wars episode over Luke + Leia romance and floppy lightsabers. (The spoof theme song cracks me up.

Clearly you have no clue what your talking about.

Game of Thrones is EASILY one of the best things on tv in a long time.

And the books are far far better. You get so much more back story and much more detail.

I've read Steven King and he is one to go into a lot of detail but the boring kind that has no impact on the story.

I still love IT though.

The Malazan Book of the Fallen series by Erikson and Esslemont are a much more immersive detailed world than RR Martin's few books could ever hope to be. Best fantasy series ever. The main ten books alone are over 10000 pages. Plus the short stories, the other 5 books taking place at the same time in other parts of the world, the prequel trilogy currently being finished and the next post-book-of-the-Fallen arc down the road. I'm not interested in Martin's tiny HBO world.