CR-90 and Raider Firing Arcs

By Crabbok, in X-Wing

So on the carboard insert, each of these ships has it's own firing arc for the FRONT and for teh BACK. Are all of these arcs considered their primary firing arc? Can Hardpoint weapons on the AFT section fire out of the FORE section's printed arc? Can the Primary weapon fire from the aft section's arc?

I know I knew this awhile ago but just can't remember and I'm sleepy as hell this morning. Hoping somebody can help me out here.

It doesn't really matter what they're called, the main turret (not a full 360 degrees because of the blue line restriction) has its own 2 paragraphs in the huge ship rules PDF.

The side arcs come in two sets, one for fore, one for aft. A turbolaser equipped on your fore card can only shoot from one of the fore arcs. The only thing that's shared between the two bases are the effects that use range, like target locking, Dodonna' ability or the energy substep where you can allocate energy tokens to the cards that can take energy. Your energy on the ship is considered to be on the aft section, but can be redistributed fine on the fore.

Edited by Mu0n

It doesn't really matter what they're called, the main turret (not a full 360 degrees because of the blue line restriction) has its own 2 paragraphs in the huge ship rules PDF.

The side arcs come in two sets, one for fore, one for aft. A turbolaser equipped on your fore card can only shoot from one of the fore arcs. The only thing that's share between the two bases is the effects that use range, like target locking, Dodonna' ability or the energy substep where you can allocate energy tokens to the cards that can take energy. Your energy on the ship is considered to be on the aft section, but can be redistributed fine on the fore.

Main turret? None of the huge ships have a turret as far as I know.... have I missed something? Or do you mean the primary weapon?

As for the arcs on the front section vs teh back section, I understand you are saying the FORE section's hardpoint upgrades can only fire from the Front arcs, while the AFT section's hardpoints can only fire from the Back arcs. I'm assuming that applies to the Raider as well, even though the arcs for the front section and the back section are significantly different on the raider.

But assuming you have no hardpoint upgrades, can you fire your primary weapon from the front arc, AND/OR the Rear Side Arcs? Or Front Section Only?

The main weapon on both the CR90 is a Primary Weapon Turrets and has special rules. I THOUGHT that the Raider was as well but after looking up the images, it may not be and I am mistaken. The arcs themselves are only mainly used for Hardpoints, as they can only fire from arcs, but the arcs are also used for abilities regarding arcs: eg Autothrusters (if I'm not mistaken).

To put it shortly, the Primary Weapon can only fire from the section on which it is represented.

Cards for reference:

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cr90-corvette-fore.pngcr90-corvette-aft.png

Edited by Zabuzauz

It doesn't really matter what they're called, the main turret (not a full 360 degrees because of the blue line restriction) has its own 2 paragraphs in the huge ship rules PDF.

The side arcs come in two sets, one for fore, one for aft. A turbolaser equipped on your fore card can only shoot from one of the fore arcs. The only thing that's share between the two bases is the effects that use range, like target locking, Dodonna' ability or the energy substep where you can allocate energy tokens to the cards that can take energy. Your energy on the ship is considered to be on the aft section, but can be redistributed fine on the fore.

Main turret? None of the huge ships have a turret as far as I know.... have I missed something? Or do you mean the primary weapon?

As for the arcs on the front section vs teh back section, I understand you are saying the FORE section's hardpoint upgrades can only fire from the Front arcs, while the AFT section's hardpoints can only fire from the Back arcs. I'm assuming that applies to the Raider as well, even though the arcs for the front section and the back section are significantly different on the raider.

But assuming you have no hardpoint upgrades, can you fire your primary weapon from the front arc, AND/OR the Rear Side Arcs? Or Front Section Only?

What I called the main turret *is* the CR90's primary weapon. The rules even use the exact "Turret Primary Weapon" terminology. Even if you have no upgrade cards equipped on that ship at all, you can still fire with that primary weapon, as per the huge ship rules pdf. The side arcs aren't even used in those rules. Let me fetch it for you:

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Keep in mind:

BASE: the plastic 80mm x 80 mm square piece only (ie, used for determining range from, for a turret)

HALF: Everything on one side of the blue line (is, used for the CR90 being a target from other ships)

Edited by Mu0n

The main turret can't fire through it's rear engines. They block line of sight.

The firing arcs listed are for the hardpoints or the main weapons for that section. The Imperial Raider has 2 shots with it's main weapon from it's forward firing arc. You can put hardpoints in either section.

The CR-90 works best if it can get a broadside of it's target, so it kind of wants to cruise past your bow like an old sailing ship.

The Raider wants to slow roll towards an enemy and blast forwards as it goes.

It's interesting to see the two different tactics of each ship and should make Epic fun to play.

I may be mistaken but I thought the CR-90 DOES NOT have a primary firing arc straight front.

I don't have the card in front of me.

It does not have a primary firing arc, but it can't shoot through it's own engines. I the rules state that you can fire at anything as long as you can see it from the edge of the front section. So, look at that red line that seperates the two. If you can draw a line to that, you are are good.

This is from the Huge Ship Rules

Additional Firing Arcs
Some huge ships have different firing arcs. For example, the CR90 has four firing arcs printed on the ship token; there are two firing arcs in the fore section and two firing arcs in the aft section. If a section of the CR90 has a secondary weapon equipped, that secondary weapon must target a ship inside either firing arc from its corresponding section.

Any weapon except a turret must fire from within one of the side arcs of the CR-90. i.e. they cannot fire directly forward.

In the case of the CR-90 the primary weapon is a turret. So, for example, an Auto-Thruster would still work even if you're directly directly in front of the CR-90.

Edited by Ken at Sunrise

CR90's main turret, valid areas. The target ship's center stem must fall within the blue zone

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The same image, but with the arcs activated:

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just found this iin another thread.

Blue: CR90 primary weapon

Red: secondary arcs only for hardpoint weapons of the corresponding ship section.

so for example single turbolasers on the fore section cant be fired through the aft sections secondary arcs

p.s. i think vassal is really good for illustrating it!

Edited by Taiowaa

Thanks guys. I had forgotten that the CR-90 had a turret primary. Now it's all coming back to me. Yes it can only fire from the front section.

I'm also assuming that the Raider's primary weapon, can only fire from the front section, which is fine, considering it has a huge frontal arc.