It's funny, when the whole "fly casual" thing started I thought it was a great idea. Now, I distance myself from it as much as possible. At least in my area it's been co-opted by the worst sort of player; the sort who throw tantrums when they don't get take-backs and who bully children into allowing them to bend the rules, though they themselves are grown men. If you were actually "flying casual" then you wouldn't care if you didn't get your missed action or w/e. If you make a big deal about it, you aren't being casual at all.

Attempts at emotionally black mailing someone into bending to their will, only to throw a tantrum when they don't get their way, is only excusable behavior when performed by a child whom is still learning what is and is not acceptable behavior. That is straight up manipulation that even my 8 year old has already learnt is unacceptable. Playing a game that involves playing with little toy spaceships does not give a grown man the excuse to act as a child. It's not appropriate and should not be condoned, no matter if a person thinks that a game should be casual or otherwise. If someone wants leniency, like that awarded in a casual game, during a tournament, then they should be respectful enough to request that the game be played that way before it is even started. If not, then they should not be surprised if there is no 'take backs' accepted after the game has started, let alone be making attempts at manipulation or having anger fits. Nor should there be any sort of misconduct on the requesters part if their request is denied, especially during a tournament.

Of course that's all IMHO.

Except if you read the testimony of another player at the tournament somewhere in this thread, that's not what the other player did at all.

I know I said I was done with this thread, but another thing happened. I faced a Soontir Deci with my 8 Academies today. I vaporized the Deci, only losing 2 TIEs in the process. I realized then that I was up on points and decided to run with my whole swarm. My opponent stressed Soontir and forgot to assign a focus, and I did not allow my opponent to put one down because she had already rolled for attack. Even if I lost the TIE had she properly remembered to focus I still would have won.

After the game was over I was told in a rather angry tone, "At least I have the courtesy to joust at the end". To this I said something like, "Well, that's what the turret players do, get up on points and run for the whole game." She walked away for a minute, and when she came back she said something like, "You complain about Turretwing yet you play like it." I just smiled the whole time. No Schadenfreude-esque Emperor quote though, forgot until after the exchange.

I ordered a T-shirt that says, "Keep calm and fly casual" with a silhouette of a Lambda on it, can't wait for it to get here.

You realise each time you post your making yourself look a little worse right? If multiple people are getting angry with you during and after games that's a pretty good indication the problem doesn't lie with them.

I know I said I was done with this thread, but another thing happened. I faced a Soontir Deci with my 8 Academies today. I vaporized the Deci, only losing 2 TIEs in the process. I realized then that I was up on points and decided to run with my whole swarm. My opponent stressed Soontir and forgot to assign a focus, and I did not allow my opponent to put one down because she had already rolled for attack. Even if I lost the TIE had she properly remembered to focus I still would have won.

After the game was over I was told in a rather angry tone, "At least I have the courtesy to joust at the end". To this I said something like, "Well, that's what the turret players do, get up on points and run for the whole game." She walked away for a minute, and when she came back she said something like, "You complain about Turretwing yet you play like it." I just smiled the whole time. No Schadenfreude-esque Emperor quote though, forgot until after the exchange.

I ordered a T-shirt that says, "Keep calm and fly casual" with a silhouette of a Lambda on it, can't wait for it to get here.

You realise each time you post your making yourself look a little worse right? If multiple people are getting angry with you during and after games that's a pretty good indication the problem doesn't lie with them.

While denying the forgotten stress focus to Soontir may have contributed, the anger was because I ran with my swarm instead of trying to kill Soontir. The tactics I chose to do in game caused the anger. What am I supposed to do, put a handicap on my strategy so that it doesn't infuriate my opponent?

You realise each time you post your making yourself look a little worse right? If multiple people are getting angry with you during and after games that's a pretty good indication the problem doesn't lie with them.

While denying the forgotten stress focus to Soontir may have contributed, the anger was because I ran with my swarm instead of trying to kill Soontir. The tactics I chose to do in game caused the anger. What am I supposed to do, put a handicap on my strategy so that it doesn't infuriate my opponent?

Nah. I've been playing this game since September 2012, and I've played with a lot of people. I've never once had someone lose their temper with me: in fact, since it's a fairly easygoing group of people who are all excited about the same thing, its pretty much Easy Mode when I comes to making new friends.

So while it is possible you're at the epicenter of an unusually persistent epidemic of completely unprovoked militant-casualism that cuts across locations, play styles, and genders, Occam's Razor suggests there's a better explanation: the problem is you and your attitude.

It's funny, when the whole "fly casual" thing started I thought it was a great idea. Now, I distance myself from it as much as possible.

It's still a good idea. Doug (Hothie) Kinney, the originator, exemplifies it.

The problem, honestly, isn't with Fly Casual, but rather with a bad foundational crack in the X-Wing rules and tournament systems that has always been there, but that is really beginning to spread under the strain of the competitive scene exploding:

X-Wing allows players leeway to enforce certain rules, and even to decide on the sentence for breaking them.

This is a fantastic thing for casual beer-and-pretzels gaming. It's a terrible thing for competitive gaming. There is simply no way that giving the opponent discretion in both whether to enforce the rules, and in the severity of the penalty ... well, it is all but guaranteed to cause animosity in competition.

There's a reason that games with lots of judgment calls have referees and umpires.

X-Wing needs to tighten up definitions and rules and completely eliminate an opponents' discretion in enforcement and penalty of any rules. -- in competition, with teaching and non-competition games called out specifically as exceptions if necessary. If a rule is broken, it is broken, and the penalty is X. Period. There would be much less of this BS. (There would still be some, because of the imprecision of the system, and because some people are just jackasses. But much less.)

Nah. I've been playing this game since September 2012, and I've played with a lot of people. I've never once had someone lose their temper with me

You forgot that time I shot you in the leg after our match. (Although, to be fair, I did deliberately miss the bone and artery, so that's probably why it slipped your mind. Just not that big a deal.)

Except if you read the testimony of another player at the tournament somewhere in this thread, that's not what the other player did at all.

Except without having been witness to said incident, it's impossible to know who truly did or said what. This thread was obviously started to invite opinion pertaining towards the situation as per the OP point of view. My post is simply that. My opinion and view on this particular type of situation stands firm, whether the OP is full of $hit or not. I simply gave the OP the benefit of the doubt, as it is his thread.

I think this has officially become the new worst thread ever.

Let's celebrate!!!!

This is almost as bad as all the all inclusive threads we used to have.

I am so Happy this thread is still around to keep me entertained until FEDEX drops off my Raider and Imperial Assault this afternoon... well hopefully now.

This thread WINS!

It's funny, when the whole "fly casual" thing started I thought it was a great idea. Now, I distance myself from it as much as possible.

It's still a good idea. Doug (Hothie) Kinney, the originator, exemplifies it.

The problem, honestly, isn't with Fly Casual, but rather with a bad foundational crack in the X-Wing rules and tournament systems that has always been there, but that is really beginning to spread under the strain of the competitive scene exploding:

X-Wing allows players leeway to enforce certain rules, and even to decide on the sentence for breaking them.

This is a fantastic thing for casual beer-and-pretzels gaming. It's a terrible thing for competitive gaming. There is simply no way that giving the opponent discretion in both whether to enforce the rules, and in the severity of the penalty ... well, it is all but guaranteed to cause animosity in competition.

There's a reason that games with lots of judgment calls have referees and umpires.

X-Wing needs to tighten up definitions and rules and completely eliminate an opponents' discretion in enforcement and penalty of any rules. -- in competition, with teaching and non-competition games called out specifically as exceptions if necessary. If a rule is broken, it is broken, and the penalty is X. Period. There would be much less of this BS. (There would still be some, because of the imprecision of the system, and because some people are just jackasses. But much less.)

I don't think that it's the fault of the game but of the people playing it. They fail to differentiate between the beer and pizza casual of a Wednesday night game and the 'casual' of a competition. Pizza games, taking action out of sequence, moving ships out of sequence is okay if it's okay with your opponent. Competition Casual is a lot different. You are expected to follow the rules. If you screw up and ask for a favor to add a missed token or something else and your opponent says no, this is where competitive casual comes in. You bite the bullet, acknowledge their response and don't lose your composure. It's a game not life and death.

In casual games if I have two or three ships that move at the same time, I might move all three and then drop a focus token on all of them. I won't do it if there's an attack by one of the ships or if I'm using nested action. If in a competition my opponent moved four Ties then focused I wouldn't get bent out shape. It's a different matter if combat starts. That forgotten focus or target lock was missed and won't be allowed. I wouldn't ask for it and I expect my opponent not to get bent out of shape when I say no. I guess in some ways we are responsible for some of this. Casual rules aren't written down and vary from person to person. Maybe we should chuck the fly casual attitude and adhere to the rules as written. That way we all know what to expect and what's expected of us.

I am so Happy this thread is still around to keep me entertained until FEDEX drops off my Raider and Imperial Assault this afternoon... well hopefully now.

This thread WINS!

I agree, what would we do with our time if we didn't have each other to beat up on?

Dang it now a new thread to hate on must be considered. lol

Threads like these can serve a purpose.

As we all know, the behavior of some players during gaming events can very much make the difference between an enjoyable experience, or not, for others. Constructive debate as to what is, and is not, acceptable behavior can help some players to acquire a better understanding of proper gaming etiquette.

The OP may or may not be accurate in their view of the situation. Regardless, he hadn't named anyone, which I think would be inappropriate if he had, but only spoke of his experience as he saw it and was seeking opinion as to the situation. I see nothing wrong with that and believe that respectful, open minded debate on such matters can be productive towards a better gaming community. Of course there is always going to be those people who are going to make irrational and/or counterproductive comments during these debates. I have been guilty of that myself. But I don't think that that should sway others from seeking the benefits that these types of discussions can bring forth.

If someone disagrees with the creation of such threads, well then they always have the option of not following them.