Something that keeps confusing me about First Order tech...

How is it that the Empire developed all this advanced tech and gained the finances needed to upgrade everything from the TIE to the SD, AFTER the battle of Endor?

Aren't they supposed to be on the ropes? Struggling to establish a new foothold in the galaxy?

And... somehow... also improving on all their technology and pumping out fresh capital ships...

I'm sure they'll hand-wave it away in the exposition of VII but still, it confuses me.

That's a preconception born out of the EU. Sure we can take the remastered scenes showing celebrations across the galaxy (notably on Courscuant) but this doesn't necessarily mean the Empire is gone completely... or even that the First Order is the Empire. The First order might be a successful warlord coup of what's left of the Empire for instance. Abrams might even ignore the remastered scenes and say Coruscant is still under Imperial control.

There are plenty of reasons how the First order could be superior to the Galactic Empire. One might be that the Emperor wasn't around to spend resources on frivolous projects- like Death Stars.

He could show us that same scene and then show a massacre of those people thus showing that the Imperials or new first order was in charge.

We don't even know the size of that star destroyer. It could be half the size of an ISD... Once we have scale, then we can estimate costs.

He could show us that same scene and then show a massacre of those people thus showing that the Imperials or new first order was in charge.

That is exactly the leaked content of the Aftermath book...

He could show us that same scene and then show a massacre of those people thus showing that the Imperials or new first order was in charge.

That is exactly the leaked content of the Aftermath book...

They are the new books that explain what happened after Endor.

The publisher teased the intro and it has Imperial forces 'putting down' the people celebrating.t

If rag-tag rebels can create a sustainable economy and military force, a collapsing galactic empire surely could as well....

He could show us that same scene and then show a massacre of those people thus showing that the Imperials or new first order was in charge.

This is actually the first chapter in the "Aftermath" Novel. It was released online somewhere a few weeks ago and starts with a father and his son at the celebration on Corouscant. Then Stormtroopers show up and start mowing people down.

Edit. Others beat me to it

Something that keeps confusing me about First Order tech...

How is it that the Empire developed all this advanced tech and gained the finances needed to upgrade everything from the TIE to the SD, AFTER the battle of Endor?

Aren't they supposed to be on the ropes? Struggling to establish a new foothold in the galaxy?

And... somehow... also improving on all their technology and pumping out fresh capital ships...

I'm sure they'll hand-wave it away in the exposition of VII but still, it confuses me.

Perhaps it was already developed and in the making, but came to the front after the battle of Endor.

He could show us that same scene and then show a massacre of those people thus showing that the Imperials or new first order was in charge.

This is actually the first chapter in the "Aftermath" Novel. It was released online somewhere a few weeks ago and starts with a father and his son at the celebration on Corouscant. Then Stormtroopers show up and start mowing people down.

Edit. Others beat me to it

Like I said. . . I had no idea. Well its a good thing my gut was spot on!

He could show us that same scene and then show a massacre of those people thus showing that the Imperials or new first order was in charge.

I'd pay to see it.

Something that keeps confusing me about First Order tech...

How is it that the Empire developed all this advanced tech and gained the finances needed to upgrade everything from the TIE to the SD, AFTER the battle of Endor?

Aren't they supposed to be on the ropes? Struggling to establish a new foothold in the galaxy?

And... somehow... also improving on all their technology and pumping out fresh capital ships...

I'm sure they'll hand-wave it away in the exposition of VII but still, it confuses me.

Well from the now "Legends" stories (havent read any of the new stuff yet) after the battle of Endor a decent chunk of the Imperial fleet was either destroyed (a lot of high ranking officers died on the executor) or captured (the rebels captured a few of the ISDs after the battle. But this was only a small portion of the Imperial fleet. They still had ships spread throughout the entire galaxy, from the core worlds (such as Coruscant, which at the time was still called Imperial Center, there would have been a large concentration of ships as this is the capital of the galaxy) to the Outer Rim. They still had a large force, but it was just spread out.

Also after the battle of Endor, yes this was the biggest victory for the Rebellion, they were still just a movement, they had no permanent bases, they still had relatively few ships (compared to the Empire). The Empire still had all of their capital, they still had their numerous shipyards. They still had leaders (moffs, admirals, etc) that could still command. Granted after Endor the Empire started to fragment, Moffs and admirals took the title of Warlords (or other titles with horrible names lol), and massed their own fleets.

Going by this, they can easily expand on their current technology. Also Episode VII is taking place 25 years after Episode VI, so we have no clue (yet) what happened during those 25 years. Maybe after Endor the Rebellion started gaining more momentum against the Empire, but perhaps they are now in a stalemate and both sides are pretty close in terms of military power.

Something that keeps confusing me about First Order tech...

How is it that the Empire developed all this advanced tech and gained the finances needed to upgrade everything from the TIE to the SD, AFTER the battle of Endor?

Aren't they supposed to be on the ropes? Struggling to establish a new foothold in the galaxy?

And... somehow... also improving on all their technology and pumping out fresh capital ships...

I'm sure they'll hand-wave it away in the exposition of VII but still, it confuses me.

That's a preconception born out of the EU. Sure we can take the remastered scenes showing celebrations across the galaxy (notably on Courscuant) but this doesn't necessarily mean the Empire is gone completely... or even that the First Order is the Empire. The First order might be a successful warlord coup of what's left of the Empire for instance. Abrams might even ignore the remastered scenes and say Coruscant is still under Imperial control.

There are plenty of reasons how the First order could be superior to the Galactic Empire. One might be that the Emperor wasn't around to spend resources on frivolous projects- like Death Stars.

The scene at the end of the special edition of Episode VI with Coruscant and the celebration was brought up in the now "legends" story (and as others have said in the "Aftermath" which I have not had the chance to read yet) was given some more info. It was talked about in one of the x-wing books, unfortunately I cannot remember exactly which one, one of the pilots of rogue squadron (either Wes Janson or Tycho Celchu, again I cannot quiet remember ) was told to have been there during the celebration. It started out peacefully, but escalated, eventually some people got hooks and ropes and pulled the statue of Palpatine down. Shortly after, Imperial troops surrounded the square and started killing those present. Coruscant was still controlled by the Empire and they were not going to let the death of the Emperor prevent them from keeping control and power.

It is nice to know that this is still part of the canon of star wars.

Lol. . . This could be that the Empire died off and a new civil war is taking place

Something that keeps confusing me about First Order tech...

How is it that the Empire developed all this advanced tech and gained the finances needed to upgrade everything from the TIE to the SD, AFTER the battle of Endor?

Aren't they supposed to be on the ropes? Struggling to establish a new foothold in the galaxy?

And... somehow... also improving on all their technology and pumping out fresh capital ships...

I'm sure they'll hand-wave it away in the exposition of VII but still, it confuses me.

Well from the now "Legends" stories (havent read any of the new stuff yet) after the battle of Endor a decent chunk of the Imperial fleet was either destroyed (a lot of high ranking officers died on the executor) or captured (the rebels captured a few of the ISDs after the battle. But this was only a small portion of the Imperial fleet. They still had ships spread throughout the entire galaxy, from the core worlds (such as Coruscant, which at the time was still called Imperial Center, there would have been a large concentration of ships as this is the capital of the galaxy) to the Outer Rim. They still had a large force, but it was just spread out.

Also after the battle of Endor, yes this was the biggest victory for the Rebellion, they were still just a movement, they had no permanent bases, they still had relatively few ships (compared to the Empire). The Empire still had all of their capital, they still had their numerous shipyards. They still had leaders (moffs, admirals, etc) that could still command. Granted after Endor the Empire started to fragment, Moffs and admirals took the title of Warlords (or other titles with horrible names lol), and massed their own fleets.

Going by this, they can easily expand on their current technology. Also Episode VII is taking place 25 years after Episode VI, so we have no clue (yet) what happened during those 25 years. Maybe after Endor the Rebellion started gaining more momentum against the Empire, but perhaps they are now in a stalemate and both sides are pretty close in terms of military power.

Something that keeps confusing me about First Order tech...

How is it that the Empire developed all this advanced tech and gained the finances needed to upgrade everything from the TIE to the SD, AFTER the battle of Endor?

Aren't they supposed to be on the ropes? Struggling to establish a new foothold in the galaxy?

And... somehow... also improving on all their technology and pumping out fresh capital ships...

I'm sure they'll hand-wave it away in the exposition of VII but still, it confuses me.

That's a preconception born out of the EU. Sure we can take the remastered scenes showing celebrations across the galaxy (notably on Courscuant) but this doesn't necessarily mean the Empire is gone completely... or even that the First Order is the Empire. The First order might be a successful warlord coup of what's left of the Empire for instance. Abrams might even ignore the remastered scenes and say Coruscant is still under Imperial control.

There are plenty of reasons how the First order could be superior to the Galactic Empire. One might be that the Emperor wasn't around to spend resources on frivolous projects- like Death Stars.

The scene at the end of the special edition of Episode VI with Coruscant and the celebration was brought up in the now "legends" story (and as others have said in the "Aftermath" which I have not had the chance to read yet) was given some more info. It was talked about in one of the x-wing books, unfortunately I cannot remember exactly which one, one of the pilots of rogue squadron (either Wes Janson or Tycho Celchu, again I cannot quiet remember ) was told to have been there during the celebration. It started out peacefully, but escalated, eventually some people got hooks and ropes and pulled the statue of Palpatine down. Shortly after, Imperial troops surrounded the square and started killing those present. Coruscant was still controlled by the Empire and they were not going to let the death of the Emperor prevent them from keeping control and power.

It is nice to know that this is still part of the canon of star wars.

After reading the spoiled prelude to Aftermath, this is exactly what happens.

Also seeing how no one else has posted it you can find said preview here.

Also seeing how no one else has posted it you can find said preview here.

Wow that's uh... that's not very well written.

Disappointing.

Also seeing how no one else has posted it you can find said preview here.

Wow that's uh... that's not very well written.

Disappointing.

Have to somewhat agree with that. It reads like good fan fiction. Still, I like the premise of an Empire that is still alive and kicking.

Given the rag tag form of the Rebellion, you'd expect there still to be loyalists to the Empire. Yes, killing the top commanders of the Empire surely struck a blow to them, it couldn't have been the end of the government.

I'd expect a lot of civil unrest, especially in places where the Empire had to work hard to keep control. Some places likely overthrew the Empire and I'm sure others were still under the boot of the local military powers.

Nearly 30 years means a lot could have happened... And not just a reversion to pre-imperial rule.

Also seeing how no one else has posted it you can find said preview here.

Wow that's uh... that's not very well written.

Disappointing.

Something that keeps confusing me about First Order tech...

How is it that the Empire developed all this advanced tech and gained the finances needed to upgrade everything from the TIE to the SD, AFTER the battle of Endor?

Aren't they supposed to be on the ropes? Struggling to establish a new foothold in the galaxy?

And... somehow... also improving on all their technology and pumping out fresh capital ships...

I'm sure they'll hand-wave it away in the exposition of VII but still, it confuses me.

They lost one (significant) battle over an insignificant gas giant's moon. At most they lost what, 30 Star Destroyers, an SSD, and a Death Star. Huge losses, but they still control only thousands of star systems, and only thousands of star Destroyers.

One could ask the same question of the rebel fleet. How could they muster even that much tech? Weren't they on the ropes?

I hope that the slugging match seems to be at least relatively even for much of the interceding time. They should be on the ropes, or close to it in the Force Awakens, but not for most of the period in between.

A new more detailed image (and name!) of the new Star Destroyer:

Something that keeps confusing me about First Order tech...

How is it that the Empire developed all this advanced tech and gained the finances needed to upgrade everything from the TIE to the SD, AFTER the battle of Endor?

Aren't they supposed to be on the ropes? Struggling to establish a new foothold in the galaxy?

And... somehow... also improving on all their technology and pumping out fresh capital ships...

I'm sure they'll hand-wave it away in the exposition of VII but still, it confuses me.

They lost one (significant) battle over an insignificant gas giant's moon. At most they lost what, 30 Star Destroyers, an SSD, and a Death Star. Huge losses, but they still control only thousands of star systems, and only thousands of star Destroyers.

Also the Head of State, the Right-Hand-Man, the closest advisors, and possibly some additional top-level members of the government.

I can think of a new nations that would be much better off if the head of state and closest advisors were suddenly replaced.

It's like the Avalanche of the Imperials.

Avalanche = Silverado on top of a Suburban.

Edit: "Finalizer"? egads.

Also seeing how no one else has posted it you can find said preview here.

Wow that's uh... that's not very well written.

Disappointing.

"I don't like sand. It's coarse and irritating and it gets everywhere. Everything here is soft and smooth."

its almost as bad... which i thought couldnt happen

'Finalizer' ? Doesn't sound deathy enough!