Basically, the title of the post. The email sent to Worlds participants says to bring a 300pt list, and an email inquiry to FFG said they will raise the level to 400pts if Wave 2 "releases in time".

As someone who is going to Worlds, this is extremely frustrating. There is ZERO point to play testing 300 points *IF* the event will be at 400pts. The other side of the coin is that we do not know when Wave 2 will be released, and none of it has been spoiled (seriously FFG?) so we can't even proxy in preparation and in the mean time don't know whether to prepare or wait. The worst case scenario is that Wave 2 releases in late October and the event is 400pts, and no one has had sufficient time to theory craft or play test.

As someone who is attending the event, it would be very nice to know what to prepare for since many people are flying in from all over the USA and other parts of the world for the event.

/rant.

I would love to have an event were they announce at start its 400, and here's the expansions, you have ten minutes to come up with a list, go!

That would be epic, I could totally get into that, hehe.

While that sounds fun, I'd be very irritated if that happened after spending hundreds on the trip to the event.

I'd still enjoy it, but then I work well under pressure, lol.

Yeah, I rather be able to plan too, not gonna lie.

That would be an excellently fun draft style tournament. I recommend this.

World is in November right? Unless Wave 2 hits early October, plan for 300

But that's against his rant. He doesn't want to "Waste Time" on Planning for 300 now, if its going to be revealed to be 400 later...

But that's against his rant. He doesn't want to "Waste Time" on Planning for 300 now, if its going to be revealed to be 400 later...

Basically this. It's a completely different game at 400, even with current models. Best case scenario is they go ahead and say now that it is one or the other.

I bet they have no idea. I'm sure they are still hoping to get wave 2 out with enough time before worlds to allow it in, but are fully cognizant of the fact that they might not make that deadline. Remember that first article originally said July. JULY! ROFLOLOLOL!

I'm kind of glad they haven't made an announcement yet, because if they did it probably would have been to say that wave 2 wouldn't hit the shelves fast enough and that would make me a sad panda.

I bet they have the factories working 24/7 on episode 7 goodies, delaying wave 2 products.

Yeah its a bit odd. the LGS play 400pt tournaments whilst our FFG nations will be 300pt

While the raise to 400 points might make for a more balanced game, it also makes for a higher bar of entry to get a standard list.

By this line of thought there is no point in playing any games (300 or 400) without knowing what is in Wave 2 as the influx of new options is likely to have just as much impact as a change in format.

The reality is you have no control over the situation, so there is no point in worrying about it. You'll know when everyone else does and you'll have the same window to prepare.

FFG has no ability to give you an answer as it all hinges on if Wave 2 is released.

I highly doubt wave 2 will be available before Christmas at this point, hopefully some ships will be (Come on episode 7 armada ships!!), if not I would wager wave 2 won't be available until Feb or March of next year, not happy about it but it wouldn't surprise me, and if they said the tournament will be 300 points I would count on that being the format even if wave 2 releases the week before worlds, same thing happened last year with x-wing wave 5.

It is horridly straightforward as I see it...

Official Games are 300 points. Until such time as Wave 2 is Released.

Once Wave 2 is Released, then its 400.

If Wave 2 Releases the Week before Worlds... Well, EVERYONE is going to have the same amount of Practice as far as they are concerned...

I hope someone does give a response in advance - or at least, We get Wave 2 well in advance...

But I also don't think ranting about it is the way to go, either... I have issues with how this has been presented.

It's not really that hard to plan...

FFG consistently takes 8-10 weeks to get a product to stores after it goes 'on the boat'. That means if it's not on the boat by Sept 9th, then odds are very high that Worlds will be 300 points because Wave 2 won't be out yet.

Now it's possible even if it is on the boat then it still may not make it in time. Or be so close to Worlds that FFG decides not to have it be legal yet. But Sept 9th would be what I'd call the point of no wave 2.

Also it's not like FFG doesn't want to say for sure one way or the other.

It's going to be 1500 points, and all players will be on the same board, all at once. Players will be suspended above a star field and given laser pointers to issue orders.

I know I'm going to come off as a jerk in this but I honestly cant help it. While reasonable to an extent the nature of this rant feels rather arrogant and asinine to me. I get that some are spending a good bit of money to go to this event that is well over 3 months (give or take) away but that honestly doesn't make this kind of demand or justification for the demand reasonable, as you knew what you were signing up for when you spent your money. We know 400pts matches do not begin till Wave 2 hits. IF it hits by the time the World Championship happens great, if not well... we will go on.

The idea that Fantasy Flight is not divulging the information for no good reason is foolish. I highly doubt the Developers are sitting in their offices at Fantasy Flight HQ tapping there fingers together manically plotting the best way to screw over the players of their own event. More then likely they are as much a victim here as we are. Developers are generally just as anxious to get their product to their Fan's as their fans are to play the Product. For whatever reason that simply isn't happening the way they want it too, an they cant give us anymore info then they already have.

I for one would love more information, not just on what, or when, but if Fantasy Flight would adopt the Transparent Development mentality, that has been rather effective among Computer game Developers. However that is what it is.

Ultimately however, you have/had over three months to play test 300, and 400 point games. The fact you deem it a 'waste' of your time to play 300 point games is entirely your own justification. We've heard nothing about Wave 2's release and likely wont for a good bit longer now. Test for both types. You have the time. Rather then spend your energy on thinking about how much something is 'waste' of your time (considering your actually playing game, that was built expressly to waste time), play test, play the game, and ENJOY it. If Wave 2 hits in time for worlds? Then Adapt, and dont worry about. You can't control whats going on, so there is no point in trying. Know that no mater what, you will be in the same position as EVERYONE else, scrambling to figure out what to do. Stop worrying about silly Meta's and just play. Enjoy the junk out of your gaming experience and relish in the idea that you might be treading into untrodden ground knowing that you might be the next person to find out some game breaking strategy.

Because no mater what else, if Wave 2 hits before the World Championship, then everyone their, not just you, (aside from the Devs) will be in the same boat; going on the same wild ride.

In other words, stop demanding and fretting, and start playing. It will help all of us, and especially yourself.

Your auto-correct is heavily betraying you.

I'm going to Worlds. I've been tentatively assuming that 300 points will be the deal. Right now there is no official game at 400. There is a game at 300.

Wave 2, and 400 points have been significantly delayed.

Expect 300. I get that you don't want to, but realistically you have little choice. It's either plan for what you can (300), or continue to bemoan the lack of information.

I support this rant. Product release may be uncertain, but that doesn't mean they can't just choose 300 or 400 now. If they choose 300 and product releases, then we get to see ISDs in a small environment. If they choose 400 and wave 2 doesn't hit in time, then also no real biggie. They made the wave 2 = 400 points rule in the first place, no reason they can't change it. It would only affect those going to worlds.

Some of us have more time than others. (I'm on the less side of things). Knowing at least the 300 vs 400 means that (if I were going) my limited practice time would be put to better use. Just because it's 3 months away, doesn't mean I have loads of time. I have lectures to give, my son to take care of, and jobs to apply for.

I think the smartest way to go would be announce it at 400 points. Great if wave 2 releases, and if it doesn't a relatively small group is affected. Those going to worlds might need to aquire another 100 points of ships they might not have otherwise wanted to. But it's worlds. If you're traveling there the cost of an extra ship is a trifle compared to the cost of travel. Plus, those players attending are the most die-hard anyway who either already have the ships, don't mind buying, or have a playgroup they can borrow from for the weekend.

The issue with that reasoning is that FFG likely has a reason for the point increase to coincide with Wave 2 along with the initial release at 300, instead of 400 to begin with. If they did not make those choices arbitrarily then holding the event in some unintended format is likely not in anyone's interest.

The issue with that reasoning is that FFG likely has a reason for the point increase to coincide with Wave 2 along with the initial release at 300, instead of 400 to begin with. If they did not make those choices arbitrarily then holding the event in some unintended format is likely not in anyone's interest.

So my point is that their reason for size 300 is not a gameplay issue, but a marketing issue to keep more common fans, those not likely to show up to worlds, happy while still populating the Armada world. We know they are eventually going to 400. A worlds held at 400 points with no wave 2 ships will be populated with fleets that are still perfectly legal once wave 2 hits. So the only game play rationale is if wave 2 has something that is REQUIRED for 400 points to work. I don't imagine them doing that.

On the flip side, I can see reasons why you might want play with ISDs and MC-80s to be at 400 and not 300. Just look at the skew playing at 180 with the core set put on the game. Before wave 1 hit, people played 300 points with 2 core sets just fine. The only apparent reason for the 180 point games pre wave 1 so people didn't feel required to buy 2 $100 core sets.

So please give me a reason why changing the points for a single event of supposedly the top players matters when any of them could easily borrow an extra ship or upgrade for the weekend.

The core argument seems to be "I'm spending a lot on going there, and I don't want to waste my time practicing with 300, because I'm already good at it, and practicing at 400 would only throw off my 300 game if it doesn't go up in size."

The reason I already have you is the necessary assumption that the designers are purposeful with the choices to restrict the game to begin with and then expand it with Wave 2. Since you or I don't have either the knowledge of what Wave 2 holds or the level of experience with the game at 400pts neither of us is going to be able to come up with anything but off the cuff reasoning. None of which is going to be particularly well backed.

I will allow that just announcing the event as 400 is a significantly more tenable option then holding it at 300 even if Wave 2 us out. But regardless I'm sure that would cause some people issue as they'd feel compelled to buy ships they wouldn't have otherwise, and likely won't use after.

But going back to the core of it, this argument can be used anytime a release is upcoming and may impact an event. Why should I waste my time practicing Wave 2 if Wave 3 is just going to come out and change everything? If this game is successful that's going to be an oft repeated cycle.

You prepare with what you have and if that changes you adjust, everyone has to do it.