It's entirely possible that I've missed something, but there seems to be an oversight in the Lightsaber constructions rules. Specifically they give you the ability to get a Hilt, but there doesn't seem to be a 'standard' kyber crystal that can be installed in it for 0 Hard Points, so it's impossible to go from a hilt to one of the base Lightsabers listed in the book. Is this intentional, that you simply have to get a 'special' crystal to build your own or was it simply left out?

My CRB is on the way, so I only have the Beta. But check the lightsaber weapon entries. Assuming not much has changed since the Beta Updates, you should find:

• An Ilum crystal is the "standard" kyber crystal, being found in its unmodified state all the standard lightsabers in the equipment section.
• An Ilum crystal occupies 2 of each lightsaber's hard points, a basic lightsaber already has 2 of its hard points filled.
• There is no 0 Hard Point crystal.

It's entirely possible that I've missed something, but there seems to be an oversight in the Lightsaber constructions rules. Specifically they give you the ability to get a Hilt, but there doesn't seem to be a 'standard' kyber crystal that can be installed in it for 0 Hard Points, so it's impossible to go from a hilt to one of the base Lightsabers listed in the book. Is this intentional, that you simply have to get a 'special' crystal to build your own or was it simply left out?

The book treats the Ilum crystal as the "default" crystal for all the lightsabers listed in the equipment chapter, and this is noted in the explanation for each of them. The hard points listed for the basic lightsaber, double-bladed lightsaber, shoto, and others in the weapons table doesn't reflect that two of those hard points have already been "spent" to install an Ilum crystal.

Yeah, what DM said is spot on. The actual "oversight" here, IMO, is that everything in table 5-7 should have 2 fewer hard points available (including the training saber, which is slotted with a training emitter instead of an Ilum crystal).

In the rules for lightsaber construction in the game master's kit it say that if the player is successful in making the lightsaber they get a lightsaber hilt as described on table 5-8: lightsaber hilts on page 177 of the Force and Destiny Core Rulebook. So If you make a lightsaber hilt it has 5 hard points plus any additional hard points you get from spending triumphs during construction. So therefore you are able to install any of the normal 2 hard point crystal in the lightsaber hilt you construct.

I hope this answers your question.

Yeah, what DM said is spot on. The actual "oversight" here, IMO, is that everything in table 5-7 should have 2 fewer hard points available (including the training saber, which is slotted with a training emitter instead of an Ilum crystal).

And then when a book comes out with a 5 HP crystal people are just as confused. No win.

And then when a book comes out with a 5 HP crystal people are just as confused. No win.

Yes. That incredibly likely and totally reasonable scenario completely invalidates the points above...

And then when a book comes out with a 5 HP crystal people are just as confused. No win.

Yes. That incredibly likely and totally reasonable scenario completely invalidates the points above...

Just saying, F&D is a core, there is a lot of possible things to come. A 5 HP crystal is pretty silly, but when you're making an open ended product its better to be cautious.

Just saying, F&D is a core, there is a lot of possible things to come. A 5 HP crystal is pretty silly, but when you're making an open ended product its better to be cautious.

Its of higher priority to...

• avoid confusion due to a hypothetical attachment that takes more than twice the HPs of any other attachment published.

Than...

• avoid confusion due to direct conflict of information on the same page.

I certainly cannot argue with that logic... Just saying.

Its not a direct conflict. It's just the first time we've seem items come stock with attachments on a weapons list is all.

If they wanted to allow for crystals with a higher Hard Point count, IMO it'd have been easier to make each crystal in the CRB take up 0 Hard Points, reducing the Hard Points of each lightsaber accordingly, and then raising the Hard Point requirement of crystals in later supplements if necessary to 1 or 2, instead of the very much higher numbers we'd otherwise be looking at.

If they wanted to allow for crystals with a higher Hard Point count, IMO it'd have been easier to make each crystal in the CRB take up 0 Hard Points, reducing the Hard Points of each lightsaber accordingly, and then raising the Hard Point requirement of crystals in later supplements if necessary to 1 or 2, instead of the very much higher numbers we'd otherwise be looking at.

Well, it could go the other way as well, there could end up being crystals attachments with only 1 Hard Point. It also puts more weight on the Despairs in the optional lightsaber construction rules, where 1 Despair can knock the Shoto or Pike to only hold one crystal, and 2 Despairs make the hilt useless. At 0 Hard Points for a crystal attachment, even if the Shoto and Pike were dropped to 1 HP each, 1 Despair and 2 Despairs are practically the same since you don't need to deal with HP cost.

Of course at that point you should just use the 2nd Despair to break the hilt, but just following the written bonus rules...

Can't lightsabers only hold one crystal attachment??

Can't lightsabers only hold one crystal attachment??

Sorry, used confusing wording. 1 Despair makes it so Shoto and Pike can only hold the crystal and still be usable, and that's it (no other attachments).

Its not a direct conflict. It's just the first time we've seem items come stock with attachments on a weapons list is all.

Its not a direct conflict. It's just the first time we've seem items come stock with attachments on a weapons list is all.

Previous weapons have had built in Superior.

But those weapons don't tell you that one of their hard points is already tied up in Superior. Instead they have full use of thier hard points (excepting that they cannot install Superior again).

So the rules to build lightsabres aren't in the core book?

Building a lightsaber is pretty trivial once you have the hilt and crystal. It seems that FFG wanted to put the emphasis on acquiring the crystal, rather than putting it all together. This is reflected in the core book.

The rules outlined in the GM's Kit are for building the hilt. It explains the check to acquire the pieces, and another check to put them all together. The results could add hard points, encumbrance (on a nasty roll), or even grant a free mod on a particularly good roll. Nothing that a GM couldn't have handled on-the-fly, but certainly a neat additional.

In the rules for lightsaber construction in the game master's kit it say that if the player is successful in making the lightsaber they get a lightsaber hilt as described on table 5-8: lightsaber hilts on page 177 of the Force and Destiny Core Rulebook. So If you make a lightsaber hilt it has 5 hard points plus any additional hard points you get from spending triumphs during construction. So therefore you are able to install any of the normal 2 hard point crystal in the lightsaber hilt you construct.

I hope this answers your question.

So if a player of mine makes a crafting roll and has a triumph or more they can use that to get 1 or more hard points? Wow didn't know that. Makes it worthwhile for my players to get more skill in it before rolling.. or use a destiny point to upgrade the roll