If Garven uses Esege's token, can he just give it back to him? Probably already discussed. Thanks in advance!

And if yes, so I can R2-D6/Deadeye, then spend the same focus token twice to fire and then buff an Advanced Proton Torpedo?

I don't think you can due to timing of not having the token to enable you to declare the attack. Wait.... No it works you just have to have Garven start with the token... I... Think. Help. :/

Basically, Garven must be attacking to do this, but he swipes Esege's focus, spends it on the attack, and then gives it back. The ultimate in recycling tokens.

In answer to the second question, Garven can swipe Esege's token, use it to fire the torps, but then it's passed back to Esege (or anyone else at Range 1-2), so he won't have it to buff the APTs. This one's governed by the "once per opportunity" rule.

Lol we don't really have a example for spending the same token twice yet do we?

I don't think the "once per opportunity" rule applies here. Each time that a focus token could be spent during an attack is a new opportunity to trigger Esege's ability, and each time that Garven spends a focus is a new opportunity to trigger Garven's effect. As far as I can see, there's no limit to the number of times that Garven could spend a single focus token on Esege, provided that each time it's spent for a new effect.

And if yes, so I can R2-D6/Deadeye, then spend the same focus token twice to fire and then buff an Advanced Proton Torpedo?

I don't think you can due to timing of not having the token to enable you to declare the attack. Wait.... No it works you just have to have Garven start with the token... I... Think. Help. :/

Yep, this works. And Deadeye Garven can fire off his payload without any tokens of his own, as long as Esege has at least one. Paying costs for secondary weapons happens during the attack (at step 2), not before.

Basically, Garven must be attacking to do this, but he swipes Esege's focus, spends it on the attack, and then gives it back. The ultimate in recycling tokens.

In answer to the second question, Garven can swipe Esege's token, use it to fire the torps, but then it's passed back to Esege (or anyone else at Range 1-2), so he won't have it to buff the APTs. This one's governed by the "once per opportunity" rule.

Each event is an "opportunity" and I agree with Pandademic.

Esege's ability allows Garven to use the focus token to fire the APT - it is essentially as if he had the token to start with.

"When another friendly ship at Range 1-2 is attacking, it may treat your focus tokens as its own."

Garven then can pass the token back to Esege with his ability:

"After spending a focus token, you may place that token on any other friendly ship at Range 1-2 (instead of discarding it)."

The Advanced Proton Torpedo then changes up to 3 Dice from blanks to focus.

Garven can use Esege's focus token as his own again and then once used, can pass it on again - to Esege or another ship.

This should be similar situation to if Soontir used PTL, was stressed and received a focus token. If somebody then caused him to get another stress, he would then be able to get another Focus token.

Sweeeeeeeet duuuuude. Glad to have found that one. This will be a fun combo to pull off in a casual game. Hehehehe.

Lol we don't really have a example for spending the same token twice yet do we?

Actually, you could use it up to 4 times:

1 - Garven uses it to fire the APT and then passes it to Esege.

2 - Garven immediately uses it to modify his attack dice - and then passes it again to Esege.

3 - Esege doesn't use it when attacking - but Garven uses it to modify defense die - AND passes it again to Esege or another ship.

4 - Esege or another ship uses it to modify defense dice.

Imagine if you also had:

- Jake Farrel (Free boost or Barrel Roll when using or assigned a Focus)

and/or

- Airen Cracken (After attacking, assigns a free action to a ship at range 1)

Then you really could see some crazy stuff going on.

Yep, this works. And Deadeye Garven can fire off his payload without any tokens of his own, as long as Esege has at least one. Paying costs for secondary weapons happens during the attack (at step 2), not before.

If Garven's Action was a Target Lock and you blanked all 5 dice, you could then reroll with the TL then to get some hits or focus, change 3 blanks to Focus, and then use the Focus token from Esege to flip the dice.

Sounds like a very high chance of getting 5 hits with the APT.

I think what you would not be able to do is use Calculation to change multiple focuses to crits as that would fall in the 'once per opportunity' area

I think what you would not be able to do is use Calculation to change multiple focuses to crits as that would fall in the 'once per opportunity' area

I'm not sure even that is right. Seems to me that triggering calculation and the opportunity to spend focus tokens normally are 2 different opportunities, even if they are very close together.

Lol we don't really have a example for spending the same token twice yet do we?

Actually, you could use it up to 4 times:

1 - Garven uses it to fire the APT and then passes it to Esege.

2 - Garven immediately uses it to modify his attack dice - and then passes it again to Esege.

3 - Esege doesn't use it when attacking - but Garven uses it to modify defense die - AND passes it again to Esege or another ship.

4 - Esege or another ship uses it to modify defense dice.

Imagine if you also had:

- Jake Farrel (Free boost or Barrel Roll when using or assigned a Focus)

and/or

- Airen Cracken (After attacking, assigns a free action to a ship at range 1)

Then you really could see some crazy stuff going on.

Lol we don't really have a example for spending the same token twice yet do we?

Actually, you could use it up to 4 times:

1 - Garven uses it to fire the APT and then passes it to Esege.

2 - Garven immediately uses it to modify his attack dice - and then passes it again to Esege.

3 - Esege doesn't use it when attacking - but Garven uses it to modify defense die - AND passes it again to Esege or another ship.

4 - Esege or another ship uses it to modify defense dice.

Imagine if you also had:

- Jake Farrel (Free boost or Barrel Roll when using or assigned a Focus)

and/or

- Airen Cracken (After attacking, assigns a free action to a ship at range 1)

Then you really could see some crazy stuff going on.

Ok, step 3 above doesn't work because Esege's ability only applies when another friendly ship is attacking.

Oops - I missed the attacking part. Sorry about that.

I still assume that Garven can use it both during the firing of APT and Modifying of Dice since they both happen when he is attacking.

What about this scenario:

1- Airen Cracken is using Cluster Missles and passes a free focus action to Esege after one of the attacks.

2- Garven uses the focus from Esege to fire the APT and then passes it back to Esege.

This was the list that spawned the question. There's no good lynch pin to it as all three can pair off. I give you "The Stink Eyes Squadron"

Esege Tuketu + Recon Spec, Adv SLAM, Ion Turret

Garven Dreis + R2-D6/Deadeye, Adv Proton Torp

Dutch Vander + Blaster Turret

Note: All PS 6 so order of fire isn't a issue. Esege's Recon Spec + Garvens Torp followed by Dutchs Turret gets up to four uses out of one Focus action fairly easily. Potentially more if they shoot at Garven at higher pilot skill.

This was the list that spawned the question. There's no good lynch pin to it as all three can pair off. I give you "The Stink Eyes Squadron"

Esege Tuketu + Recon Spec, Adv SLAM, Ion Turret

Garven Dreis + R2-D6/Deadeye, Adv Proton Torp

Dutch Vander + Blaster Turret

Note: All PS 6 so order of fire isn't a issue. Esege's Recon Spec + Garvens Torp followed by Dutchs Turret gets up to four uses out of one Focus action fairly easily. Potentially more if they shoot at Garven at higher pilot skill.

Actually order of fire would be an issue as you want to be keeping that token in play as long as possible. If Esege goes first and spends it, the rest of the plan will just fall apart. In order to get the most out of this, you need to plan very carefully who goes when.

Basically, Garven must be attacking to do this, but he swipes Esege's focus, spends it on the attack, and then gives it back. The ultimate in recycling tokens.

In answer to the second question, Garven can swipe Esege's token, use it to fire the torps, but then it's passed back to Esege (or anyone else at Range 1-2), so he won't have it to buff the APTs. This one's governed by the "once per opportunity" rule.

Each event is an "opportunity" and I agree with Pandademic.

Esege's ability allows Garven to use the focus token to fire the APT - it is essentially as if he had the token to start with.

"When another friendly ship at Range 1-2 is attacking, it may treat your focus tokens as its own."

Garven then can pass the token back to Esege with his ability:

"After spending a focus token, you may place that token on any other friendly ship at Range 1-2 (instead of discarding it)."

The Advanced Proton Torpedo then changes up to 3 Dice from blanks to focus.

Garven can use Esege's focus token as his own again and then once used, can pass it on again - to Esege or another ship.

This should be similar situation to if Soontir used PTL, was stressed and received a focus token. If somebody then caused him to get another stress, he would then be able to get another Focus token.

Yeah, I've been thinking about this one all day, and I've gotta agree that Garven can spend Esege's token to fire, then give it back, only to spend it again to modify, and give it back again.

I must admit, it was a bit of head scratcher for a while, though.

This was the list that spawned the question. There's no good lynch pin to it as all three can pair off. I give you "The Stink Eyes Squadron"

Esege Tuketu + Recon Spec, Adv SLAM, Ion Turret

Garven Dreis + R2-D6/Deadeye, Adv Proton Torp

Dutch Vander + Blaster Turret

Note: All PS 6 so order of fire isn't a issue. Esege's Recon Spec + Garvens Torp followed by Dutchs Turret gets up to four uses out of one Focus action fairly easily. Potentially more if they shoot at Garven at higher pilot skill.

Actually order of fire would be an issue as you want to be keeping that token in play as long as possible. If Esege goes first and spends it, the rest of the plan will just fall apart. In order to get the most out of this, you need to plan very carefully who goes when.

Basically, Garven must be attacking to do this, but he swipes Esege's focus, spends it on the attack, and then gives it back. The ultimate in recycling tokens.

In answer to the second question, Garven can swipe Esege's token, use it to fire the torps, but then it's passed back to Esege (or anyone else at Range 1-2), so he won't have it to buff the APTs. This one's governed by the "once per opportunity" rule.

Each event is an "opportunity" and I agree with Pandademic.

Esege's ability allows Garven to use the focus token to fire the APT - it is essentially as if he had the token to start with.

"When another friendly ship at Range 1-2 is attacking, it may treat your focus tokens as its own."

Garven then can pass the token back to Esege with his ability:

"After spending a focus token, you may place that token on any other friendly ship at Range 1-2 (instead of discarding it)."

The Advanced Proton Torpedo then changes up to 3 Dice from blanks to focus.

Garven can use Esege's focus token as his own again and then once used, can pass it on again - to Esege or another ship.

This should be similar situation to if Soontir used PTL, was stressed and received a focus token. If somebody then caused him to get another stress, he would then be able to get another Focus token.

Yeah, I've been thinking about this one all day, and I've gotta agree that Garven can spend Esege's token to fire, then give it back, only to spend it again to modify, and give it back again.

I must admit, it was a bit of head scratcher for a while, though.

I think what you would not be able to do is use Calculation to change multiple focuses to crits as that would fall in the 'once per opportunity' area

I'm not sure even that is right. Seems to me that triggering calculation and the opportunity to spend focus tokens normally are 2 different opportunities, even if they are very close together.

FAQ clearly says can only use Calculation once per attack.

Basically, Garven must be attacking to do this, but he swipes Esege's focus, spends it on the attack, and then gives it back. The ultimate in recycling tokens.

In answer to the second question, Garven can swipe Esege's token, use it to fire the torps, but then it's passed back to Esege (or anyone else at Range 1-2), so he won't have it to buff the APTs. This one's governed by the "once per opportunity" rule.

Each event is an "opportunity" and I agree with Pandademic.

Esege's ability allows Garven to use the focus token to fire the APT - it is essentially as if he had the token to start with.

"When another friendly ship at Range 1-2 is attacking, it may treat your focus tokens as its own."

Garven then can pass the token back to Esege with his ability:

"After spending a focus token, you may place that token on any other friendly ship at Range 1-2 (instead of discarding it)."

The Advanced Proton Torpedo then changes up to 3 Dice from blanks to focus.

Garven can use Esege's focus token as his own again and then once used, can pass it on again - to Esege or another ship.

This should be similar situation to if Soontir used PTL, was stressed and received a focus token. If somebody then caused him to get another stress, he would then be able to get another Focus token.

Yeah, I've been thinking about this one all day, and I've gotta agree that Garven can spend Esege's token to fire, then give it back, only to spend it again to modify, and give it back again.

I must admit, it was a bit of head scratcher for a while, though.

And that's why I sent the question here:)

This was a good question/scenario where if you read the cards, it is about token swapping and not actual actions.

It makes me wonder if FFG actually thought about something like this or if they rely on players to find interactions like this.

It certainly has gotten more attention and desire to use X-wing Garven Dreis in a game.

I feel the combo to be too perfect and obvious for them to have not known about it. This is what I get for finally opening up squad builder for the first time in months. So now that it is go for launch, what do you guys think of Stink Eyes Squadron?

what do you guys think of Stink Eyes Squadron?

Technically it works. At the end of it though you're still left with a range 1 weapon so how much does deadeye really help? If you already have a supply of focus tokens from esege, all APT needs to score nearly always full hits is TL (to fire). It's a little round about to accomplish what can be done with PTL. Then it goes back to why we don't see APT + PTL, or even APT much for that matter. It's still 6 points for 1 attack at range 1.

Is Garven's 'free' token more dangerous than Nera, who for 1 more point can have 2 APT's and the ability to fire those 360?

Yeah, it seems like a great idea, but I think it would be very tricky to pull off. Getting the ships into just the right place is hard enough.

I think what you would not be able to do is use Calculation to change multiple focuses to crits as that would fall in the 'once per opportunity' area

I'm not sure even that is right. Seems to me that triggering calculation and the opportunity to spend focus tokens normally are 2 different opportunities, even if they are very close together.

FAQ clearly says can only use Calculation once per attack.

So? No one has suggested otherwise.

I think what you would not be able to do is use Calculation to change multiple focuses to crits as that would fall in the 'once per opportunity' area

I'm not sure even that is right. Seems to me that triggering calculation and the opportunity to spend focus tokens normally are 2 different opportunities, even if they are very close together.

FAQ clearly says can only use Calculation once per attack.

So? No one has suggested otherwise.

Was just confirming what had been surmised by treybert.

Might be if nothing else a fun element of an epic list. Trying to reach for the APT might not be the way to go though. I'll test it... Just as soon as wave seven finally hits shelves.