The Punishing One Title - 12 points for one extra attack dice.

In the many, many, MANY wonderful threads about the YT-1300, Fat Han and the Millennium Falcon it's been asked time and time again - why didn't ALL the YT-1300's have the Outer Rim Smuggler statline, with the Millennium Falcon title providing the stat boost?

After all - there's lots of YT-1300's in the galaxy, but only one Falcon.

Well, FFG did something to that effect with the YT-2400's Outrider title, and now they've done the same again with the JM5K.

Makes you wonder, with the benefit of hindsight, would they have gone this route with the Falcon from the start?

I don't have the source handy, but I recall reading somewhere that the devs already admitted they should have done that with the Falcon to begin with. I believe their main excuse was that they didn't realize at the time that a player would actually buy and fly two Falcons at the same time.

The game gets better as it grows, so I would assume that they would for two reasons:

1) Because flying against Chewbacca and Lando at the same time with each piloting the Falcon just feels a little off; and

2) Because greater variation in a two ship list (e.g. Dash and Chewbacca) makes that game a little more interesting.

That said, double YT-1300s really are not that popular, so it isn't a huge deal either way.

I'm pretty sure they would have. They actually might still do it if we get a Most Wanted-Style episode 7 core. A few pilots for YT-1300's and a title that costs about twelve points and raises primary weapon ability by 1 to a max of 3.

Considering you could still fly the falcon and the outrider together i don't think it would make much of a difference

Slave I title also just costs 0 and only adds a Torpedo slot. I think it's safe to say they were overly conservative with the titles at first.

Slave I title also just costs 0 and only adds a Torpedo slot. I think it's safe to say they were overly conservative with the titles at first.

I like to think that they were just thinking about the future when they made that title and wanted to make sure that the Slave I could take Extra Munitions.

Slave I title also just costs 0 and only adds a Torpedo slot. I think it's safe to say they were overly conservative with the titles at first.

I like to think that they were just thinking about the future when they made that title and wanted to make sure that the Slave I could take Extra Munitions.

That's why ordnance has been so iffy until now, they wanted it to not be overpowered with extra munitions, especially on the firespray.

In the many, many, MANY wonderful threads about the YT-1300, Fat Han and the Millennium Falcon it's been asked time and time again - why didn't ALL the YT-1300's have the Outer Rim Smuggler statline, with the Millennium Falcon title providing the stat boost?

Elegance. Punishing One only adds one attack die, not one attack die, one missile slot and three hull, or whatever it is. Easier to have that presented on the card.

What, no. And here I was hoping scum wouldn't have a 3 dice turret!

Generally, and not all the time, if a title just gives you access to a new upgrade and doesn't give anything on its own, it is free or 1 point max. If it gives you something for free on its own, they generally have a cost.

What, no. And here I was hoping scum wouldn't have a 3 dice turret!

you and me both

silver lining: they can't have 2 3-dice PWTs

the pogostick itself also has a leg up on the base YT-1300 by having a fascinating upgrade bar (Ept-even for generics, torp, torp, crew, and aggromech which is just tailor made to fart out torps) and a native b-roll

Personally, I would like the stock YT-1300 to have the option to take multiple modifications. This would show that its potential just hasn't been tapped yet (whilst the named pilot's YT-1300 is already full of tweaks and optimisations).

If we ever did get a second YT-1300 release (say an ep 7 variant?), I would hope that it contains the following:

- Outer Rim Smuggler (pilot)

- Stock YT-1300 (title) - YT-1300 only. This would allow up to 4 modifications to be taken. May only be equiped on non-unique pilots.

- Other unique pilots would already have their own modifications factored into the pilot card, and therefore would be limited on only 1 extra modification. Their preferences may lead to a different set of stats to the Millenium Falcon though.

- A selection of modification cards. Some modification cards may be YT-1300 only (for if they want to include the +1 attack as a modification for a YT-1300, but don't want it as available for other ships).

I used to think that such a fix as this would be unrealistic, but with a new version of the Falcon in episode 7 I'm willing to hope that we could get a new model which could carry such a fix

I used to think that such a fix as this would be unrealistic, but with a new version of the Falcon in episode 7 I'm willing to hope that we could get a new model which could carry such a fix

Same Falcon. Lando just replaced the dish he broke.

The Punishing One Title - 12 points for one extra attack dice.

In the many, many, MANY wonderful threads about the YT-1300, Fat Han and the Millennium Falcon it's been asked time and time again - why didn't ALL the YT-1300's have the Outer Rim Smuggler statline, with the Millennium Falcon title providing the stat boost?

After all - there's lots of YT-1300's in the galaxy, but only one Falcon.

Well, FFG did something to that effect with the YT-2400's Outrider title, and now they've done the same again with the JM5K.

Makes you wonder, with the benefit of hindsight, would they have gone this route with the Falcon from the start?

But honestly. Lando, Chewie and Han all effectively did fly the Falcon and not another YT-1300, so the only thing that would change is that you could not field two of them together.

But double YT-1300 lists are not a thing in the meta, so it wouldn't change a lot. The good lists are Falcon plus X other ships!

Add evade to your action bar should be Han Solo's pilot ability, I refuse to believe that a (highly modified) civilian freighter can dodge better than a fighter craft designed for battle from the ground up.

Personally, I would like the stock YT-1300 to have the option to take multiple modifications. This would show that its potential just hasn't been tapped yet (whilst the named pilot's YT-1300 is already full of tweaks and optimisations).

If we ever did get a second YT-1300 release (say an ep 7 variant?), I would hope that it contains the following:

- Outer Rim Smuggler (pilot)

- Stock YT-1300 (title) - YT-1300 only. This would allow up to 4 modifications to be taken. May only be equiped on non-unique pilots.

- Other unique pilots would already have their own modifications factored into the pilot card, and therefor would be limited on only 1 extra modification. Their preferences may lead to a different set of stats to the Millenium Falcon though.

- A selection of modification cards. Some modification cards may be YT-1300 only (for if they want to include the +1 attack as a modification for a YT-1300, but don't want it as available for other ships).

I used to think that such a fix as this would be unrealistic, but with a new version of the Falcon in episode 7 I'm willing to hope that we could get a new model which could carry such a fix

So what you're telling me, is that a stock YT-1300 with 4 mods could have an Engine Upgrade and Autothrusters? But The Falcon can't? That's a bit weird.

I really wouldn't mind an, "Enhanced Blasters" mod that costs **** near another ship but adds an extra attack.

The Question - Did FFG listen to Endless rants about PWT or turrets in general?

My Answer -

In interviews Alex Davies was quoted as saying they do read the forums on occasion and consider ideas and thoughts of players.

However I would also add there are players on here who attempt to scream the loudest to try to get their way in the false thinking they will influence the game designers.

I very much doubt that FGD or others creating a thread every other day complaining about turrets, and in almost every reply they post also mentioning "evil" turrets that they are actually influencing the game designers in the way they intend.

The board become a overwhelming cesspool of negativity because of all the complain threads by a handful of people in the last 6 months or so. Its OBVIOUS that all the negativity DID NOT INFLUENCE the game designers to cave in to their demands in nerfing turrets into oblivion.

I am not a game designer of X wing, but in my experience people who throw tantrums, yell and scream get shut out of the design process as not being constructive.

Personally, I would like the stock YT-1300 to have the option to take multiple modifications. This would show that its potential just hasn't been tapped yet (whilst the named pilot's YT-1300 is already full of tweaks and optimisations).

If we ever did get a second YT-1300 release (say an ep 7 variant?), I would hope that it contains the following:

- Outer Rim Smuggler (pilot)

- Stock YT-1300 (title) - YT-1300 only. This would allow up to 4 modifications to be taken. May only be equiped on non-unique pilots.

- Other unique pilots would already have their own modifications factored into the pilot card, and therefor would be limited on only 1 extra modification. Their preferences may lead to a different set of stats to the Millenium Falcon though.

- A selection of modification cards. Some modification cards may be YT-1300 only (for if they want to include the +1 attack as a modification for a YT-1300, but don't want it as available for other ships).

I used to think that such a fix as this would be unrealistic, but with a new version of the Falcon in episode 7 I'm willing to hope that we could get a new model which could carry such a fix

So what you're telling me, is that a stock YT-1300 with 4 mods could have an Engine Upgrade and Autothrusters? But The Falcon can't? That's a bit weird.

I really wouldn't mind an, "Enhanced Blasters" mod that costs **** near another ship but adds an extra attack.

The Falcon already has 2 hull upgrades, a shield upgrade, a primary weapon upgrade and a missile launcher bolted on, plus you can still squeeze on what is effectively a 6th modification compared to a stock YT-1300. I would not be surprised if a YT-1300 could make use of autothrusters if it didn't have all that extra stuff bolted on.

Also, another thought regarding such modifications: If you want to make a particularly powerful modification (like the +1 attack) harder to fit on, you could make it count as 2 modifications, similar to how Palpitine takes up 2 crew slots.

So you'd only be able to fit it on squints?

So you'd only be able to fit it on squints?

And stock YT-1300s. Assuming it didn't have a YT-1300 only restriction of course.

So you'd only be able to fit it on squints?

And stock YT-1300s. Assuming it didn't have a YT-1300 only restriction of course.

Stock 1300s have 2 mod slots now?

Dengar 33pts. Punishing One 12pts.

33 + 12 = 45pts.

3 attack dice

Han Solo 46pts.

3 attack dice

What's the difference people.

Dengar 33pts. Punishing One 12pts.

33 + 12 = 45pts.

3 attack dice

Han Solo 46pts.

3 attack dice

What's the difference people.

4 less health, loses a crew slot, probably crappier dial (in some ways).

So you'd only be able to fit it on squints?

And stock YT-1300s. Assuming it didn't have a YT-1300 only restriction of course.

Stock 1300s have 2 mod slots now?

I'm getting the feeling that you skipped reading the thread before replying to it. Here's the relevant post that we're talking about.