No they are a star empire that spans a significant region of space and they are uber paranoid as a species and constantly on the look out for infiltration by their enemies the odds they wouldn't see as supernova from any point in their area of control and report it to their homeworld are nil.

The star was 150 light years away it would take the effects of that nova no less than 150 years to reach the homeworld and due to physics not all effects would arrive at once.

But in the movie it ignores physics which for a startrek movie is a major sin, it's science fiction but it was always based on science fact and went a long way to be believable.

Also on the red stuff we don't know it was in anything but glass because it's never explained let alone addressed.

I'm going to play devil's advocate because it's fun (compared to work).

"No they are a star empire that spans a significant region of space and they are uber paranoid as a species and constantly on the look out for infiltration by their enemies the odds they wouldn't see as supernova from any point in their area of control and report it to their homeworld are nil."

Maybe. But then maybe they wouldn't - when they're monitoring to detect intruders aren't they looking out for warp signatures? Perhaps the signs of stars going supernova aren't something their continuous scans are configured to detect.

"Also on the red stuff we don't know it was in anything but glass because it's never explained let alone addressed."

We don't know that their ship's floor is anything but plastic/metal, but I think we reasonably assume there's some sort of artificial gravity being generated. Even in the old, much more scientific days, they didn't need to explain every single piece of technology.

No they are a star empire that spans a significant region of space and they are uber paranoid as a species and constantly on the look out for infiltration by their enemies the odds they wouldn't see as supernova from any point in their area of control and report it to their homeworld are nil.

The star was 150 light years away it would take the effects of that nova no less than 150 years to reach the homeworld and due to physics not all effects would arrive at once.

But in the movie it ignores physics which for a startrek movie is a major sin, it's science fiction but it was always based on science fact and went a long way to be believable.

Also on the red stuff we don't know it was in anything but glass because it's never explained let alone addressed.

I'm going to play devil's advocate because it's fun (compared to work).

"No they are a star empire that spans a significant region of space and they are uber paranoid as a species and constantly on the look out for infiltration by their enemies the odds they wouldn't see as supernova from any point in their area of control and report it to their homeworld are nil."

Maybe. But then maybe they wouldn't - when they're monitoring to detect intruders aren't they looking out for warp signatures? Perhaps the signs of stars going supernova aren't something their continuous scans are configured to detect.

"Also on the red stuff we don't know it was in anything but glass because it's never explained let alone addressed."

We don't know that their ship's floor is anything but plastic/metal, but I think we reasonably assume there's some sort of artificial gravity being generated. Even in the old, much more scientific days, they didn't need to explain every single piece of technology.

Well if it's helping you dodge work

Your forgetting cloaked ships which you cant detect via warp signature your reliant on particle emissions and the lensing effect of the field so they'd use multispectral sensors which would detect the increased emissions from a supernova as various forms of hard and soft radiation were emitted.

Stars don't just go nova you can tell when they are running out of fuel well in advance that's why starships are able to study them before during and after.

What's more it's well established warp is faster than an exploding stars emissions spock would of had no issues getting ahead of that energy wave.

As a plot point it's entirely reliant on the ignorance of the audience watching.

No they are a star empire that spans a significant region of space and they are uber paranoid as a species and constantly on the look out for infiltration by their enemies the odds they wouldn't see as supernova from any point in their area of control and report it to their homeworld are nil.

The star was 150 light years away it would take the effects of that nova no less than 150 years to reach the homeworld and due to physics not all effects would arrive at once.

But in the movie it ignores physics which for a startrek movie is a major sin, it's science fiction but it was always based on science fact and went a long way to be believable.

Also on the red stuff we don't know it was in anything but glass because it's never explained let alone addressed.

I'm going to play devil's advocate because it's fun (compared to work).

"No they are a star empire that spans a significant region of space and they are uber paranoid as a species and constantly on the look out for infiltration by their enemies the odds they wouldn't see as supernova from any point in their area of control and report it to their homeworld are nil."

Maybe. But then maybe they wouldn't - when they're monitoring to detect intruders aren't they looking out for warp signatures? Perhaps the signs of stars going supernova aren't something their continuous scans are configured to detect.

"Also on the red stuff we don't know it was in anything but glass because it's never explained let alone addressed."

We don't know that their ship's floor is anything but plastic/metal, but I think we reasonably assume there's some sort of artificial gravity being generated. Even in the old, much more scientific days, they didn't need to explain every single piece of technology.

Well if it's helping you dodge work

Your forgetting cloaked ships which you cant detect via warp signature your reliant on particle emissions and the lensing effect of the field so they'd use multispectral sensors which would detect the increased emissions from a supernova as various forms of hard and soft radiation were emitted.

Stars don't just go nova you can tell when they are running out of fuel well in advance that's why starships are able to study them before during and after.

What's more it's well established warp is faster than an exploding stars emissions spock would of had no issues getting ahead of that energy wave.

As a plot point it's entirely reliant on the ignorance of the audience watching.

OK, playing devils advocate on this one is getting quite challenging. Somebody help me out?

No they are a star empire that spans a significant region of space and they are uber paranoid as a species and constantly on the look out for infiltration by their enemies the odds they wouldn't see as supernova from any point in their area of control and report it to their homeworld are nil.

The star was 150 light years away it would take the effects of that nova no less than 150 years to reach the homeworld and due to physics not all effects would arrive at once.

But in the movie it ignores physics which for a startrek movie is a major sin, it's science fiction but it was always based on science fact and went a long way to be believable.

Also on the red stuff we don't know it was in anything but glass because it's never explained let alone addressed.

I'm going to play devil's advocate because it's fun (compared to work).

"No they are a star empire that spans a significant region of space and they are uber paranoid as a species and constantly on the look out for infiltration by their enemies the odds they wouldn't see as supernova from any point in their area of control and report it to their homeworld are nil."

Maybe. But then maybe they wouldn't - when they're monitoring to detect intruders aren't they looking out for warp signatures? Perhaps the signs of stars going supernova aren't something their continuous scans are configured to detect.

"Also on the red stuff we don't know it was in anything but glass because it's never explained let alone addressed."

We don't know that their ship's floor is anything but plastic/metal, but I think we reasonably assume there's some sort of artificial gravity being generated. Even in the old, much more scientific days, they didn't need to explain every single piece of technology.

Well if it's helping you dodge work

Your forgetting cloaked ships which you cant detect via warp signature your reliant on particle emissions and the lensing effect of the field so they'd use multispectral sensors which would detect the increased emissions from a supernova as various forms of hard and soft radiation were emitted.

Stars don't just go nova you can tell when they are running out of fuel well in advance that's why starships are able to study them before during and after.

What's more it's well established warp is faster than an exploding stars emissions spock would of had no issues getting ahead of that energy wave.

As a plot point it's entirely reliant on the ignorance of the audience watching.

OK, playing devils advocate on this one is getting quite challenging. Somebody help me out?

I'll give this a shot here. I always assumed that Spock was travelling to the doomed star, planet, whatever (it has been a while since I saw it) from a different location than the supernova so he would not necessarily "outrun" the shockwave. However, with warp speed and the speed of light being what they are, he should have no problem getting there in time. That assumes that they had the red goop on hand to begin with. I assumed that he had to develop the red goop and then get there in time once the Romulans (or whomever) determined that there was a problem to begin with. So, if he had to develop the solution and get there in time, it could be a problem.

My biggest issue was why was Nero mad at Spock to begin with? Spock busted his ass to get there in time. Why didn't the Romulans simply evacuate the planet? They had time. Sure it would be a feat to move millions of people, but I would think they had the means to do so with Federation help.

See also shields that allow starships to enter the photosphere of a star exist it's make far more sense to convert the planetary shields the capitol has to protect the entire planet, that research is done and would not take 150 years to implement.

My concerns are with his style of cinematography as well as thematic and tonal consistency. Even at the most frenetic times, it is really easy to tell what is happening on screen in star wars. With JJ, ths movement of the camera can actually make reading the key moments hard. It's not bayham levels, but it is cause for concern. I also worry that they will try to gritty up star wars too much. The reason star wars works is the distinct absence of irony/cynicism that pervades media; both at the time the films came out and today. Star Wars is at its best when it is pulpy, romantic, heroic, and unironic.

Also I worry there won't be any kurosawa wipe cuts and that would be just weird.

I assume the comment about not understanding the IP was a reference to concentrating on sexy, fast paced action with little cerebral content?

No, it was a reference to Kirk not banging any aliens.

The Death Star was about keeping what the Empire had, not getting it back. The Empire Order in the new film doesn't strike me as having enough resources to build a Death Star. Then again, who knows who else is against the New Republic in the new films.

The Death Star was about keeping what the Empire had, not getting it back. The Empire Order in the new film doesn't strike me as having enough resources to build a Death Star. Then again, who knows who else is against the New Republic in the new films.

Do we know it's about the New Republic then?

My concerns are with his style of cinematography as well as thematic and tonal consistency. Even at the most frenetic times, it is really easy to tell what is happening on screen in star wars. With JJ, ths movement of the camera can actually make reading the key moments hard. It's not bayham levels, but it is cause for concern. I also worry that they will try to gritty up star wars too much. The reason star wars works is the distinct absence of irony/cynicism that pervades media; both at the time the films came out and today. Star Wars is at its best when it is pulpy, heroic, and unironic.

Also I worry there won't be any kurosawa wipe cuts and that would be just weird.

Finally an actual gripe against JJ's Star Trek.

The plot holes and everything else mentioned are the writer's fault. JJ just gave the actors the motivation to say those silly things with feeling. (I liked the first one, the second was not good).

Star Wars could use more variety in it's models of Death Stars.

I want a Death Star that just serves as a mobil docking station for Star Destroyers, who's superlaser is only powerful enough to one-shot capital ships instead of planets.

Like the Eclipse, only in ball form.

Should be a cube. Largest volume to size ratio.

Hmmm, it took three movies to kill off the majority of those prequel characters like Anakin, Yoda and Sheev. I'm pretty sure Luke will get the Ben treatment of getting killed and ghosting it for a while. Even minor prequel characters like Jabba and Boba got call backs before getting axed, but poor Bail didn't even get recast for those 'OT' movies.

(Slight sarcasm in this post)

Wait, i though Luke crossed over to the dark side and became the new Emperor?

Dat wuz in the Dark Horse Comics... kinda.