Especially Laetin & Gila the Hunter.

Defensive perks without EPTs have to be properly impressive if you can't augment them any further. Both would have been glorious with Lone Wolf, for instance.

I'm mostly just weirded out that FFG decided to step back on idea that scum would have lower PS than other factions. I know in interviews that was a big idea for the faction's identity.

From mechanical standpoint it's cool with me.

I'm mostly just weirded out that FFG decided to step back on idea that scum would have lower PS than other factions. I know in interviews that was a big idea for the faction's identity.

From mechanical standpoint it's cool with me.

I think they said more that Scum pays a premium for it. To me, that means they have access to high PS but at a relatively higher cost, leading to most ships being slightly lower in general.

Boba you wouldn't want to take in a 1 on 1 fight, but he's not a piloting god. He's just Luke Skywalker good.

But Luke Skywalker was supposed to be a piloting god...the reason that Wedge became know as the best pilot was Luke stopped piloting as much to do Jedi stuff.

At least he's not Talonbane Cobra. That's a 13 year old's Counterstrike handle if ever I saw one.

Agreed. There is no pilot in the game who screams "scrub" as much as Talonbane.

I'm mostly just weirded out that FFG decided to step back on idea that scum would have lower PS than other factions. I know in interviews that was a big idea for the faction's identity.

From mechanical standpoint it's cool with me.

I think they said more that Scum pays a premium for it. To me, that means they have access to high PS but at a relatively higher cost, leading to most ships being slightly lower in general.

They haven't even stayed true to that. The scum PS9s are cheaper than their Rebel or Imperial counterparts.

well, they do pay premium

we got Cobra & Dengar to Wedge & Han to Soontir & Darthy

Cobra/Wedge/Darthy all have the dubious honor of flying some horribly inefficient and stiff ships, and only Vader's breaking from that pack with the Tie/x1 title. Wedge and Cobra both get to eat ****, while the marauder gets to enjoy being priced actually reasonably for an X-wing

Dengar/Han are only comparable w/title. Dengar is one point cheaper, with 1 less shield and 3 less hull for one additional crap green die. Once we start getting fat, scum thus far has no upgrades that make their large ships more durable. Rebs have c3po and r2-d2, before we get into the MF title which gives an evade that Dengar will never enjoy.

Soonts is soonts. There is no analog in scum.

they also pay premium in having some really stupid names in Talonbane Cobra and the jumpmaster 5000, respectively. We have a.) some ******* who hasn't seen the Mexican flag (it's Cobrabane Talon!) and b.)

I'm sure this has already been mentioned, but Dengar is every bit the pilot that Han Solo is.

In fact, the reason Dengar is a bounty hunter at all is because Solo cheated in a pod race and caused Dengar to crash.

He is now a cybernetic-stimamplified bounty hunter, so yeah, having his pilot skill at 9 makes sense.

After all, how much piloting do you see Boba Fett doing in the movies anyway?

How old is Han Solo? Because in TCW, Dengar is shown as being a bounty hunter.

Harrison Ford in 1977 was 35. TCW occurs 18-21 years prior. So that means that Dengar would have to become a bounty hunter because he was cheated in a pod race by a teenager. And he shows no signs of being cybernetically enhanced in TCW.

well, they do pay premium

we got Cobra & Dengar to Wedge & Han to Soontir & Darthy

Cobra/Wedge/Darthy all have the dubious honor of flying some horribly inefficient and stiff ships, and only Vader's breaking from that pack with the Tie/x1 title. Wedge and Cobra both get to eat ****, while the marauder gets to enjoy being priced actually reasonably for an X-wing

Dengar/Han are only comparable w/title. Dengar is one point cheaper, with 1 less shield and 3 less hull for one additional crap green die. Once we start getting fat, scum thus far has no upgrades that make their large ships more durable. Rebs have c3po and r2-d2, before we get into the MF title which gives an evade that Dengar will never enjoy.

Soonts is soonts. There is no analog in scum.

Dengar does have quite a variety of upgrades at his disposal just from the existing cards already in the game.

The 2 point Salvaged Astromech allows him to be hit with a Direct Hit or another potentially debilitating Ship Crit and discard it without resolving the effect. Yes it's a one time deal and while not guaranteed to trigger 25 of the 33 crits are ship crits. The odds are in your favor that if you flip a critical it will be one you can discard.

With his special ability Glitterstim may be an auto-include. The potential to flip eyeballs to hits on 2 different attacks and eyeballs to evades every time he is attacked in a given round is crazy strong. Pair that with Lone Wolf and he is going to be nasty in certain situations.

Obviously the Jumpmaster dial is going to be a huge factor in how good he is but pairing the Unhinged Astromech with the K4 Security Droid could be outstanding.

And of course the good old Recon Specialist should be plenty useful on him.

Then you delve into the other EPT's...There appears to be a lot of ways to kit him out that can be really strong.

Cobra then is priced exactly right in comparison, so no premium payed.

And Dengar is priced exactly the same as Dash with Outrider and Mangler, 45. He looses one shield and missile slot but gains 2 PS, a salvaged mech, 2 torpedo, and an illicit slot. He can thus be made even more super (and slippery by say using a Unhinged Astomech) than Dash for the same price. No premium payed there either.

TCW is like, tertiary canon at best, though.

TCW is like, tertiary canon at best, though.

TCW is definitively canon. There is no tertiary vs. movie canon now. Cad Bane is going to be in Rogue One.

In fact, everything talking about Dengar being cybernetically enhanced and beaten by Han Solo is now non-canon.

Disney can do what they want, but it's an alternate universe at best.

Disney can do what they want, but it's an alternate universe at best.

It's the main universe. Everything legends is the alternate universe.

I can let Disney believe that, I guess.

Let go

I can let Disney believe that, I guess.

Either way, TCW wasn't Disney. George Lucas was putting a ton of his own money into the show, was pretty heavily involved in the creative process and even had them release the first 3 episodes in theaters as a feature film.

This is completely off topic though so lets all stop.

Look, if they produce material that surpasses older material it's in direct conflict with, I can accept that. Anything else is simply a case of choosing quality over dross.

Have you seen the dredge of the old EU? It had to go.

Picking and choosing what could stay just imposed an arbitrary restriction on any new stories they would want to tell.

I like the work of Zahn as much as any fan should, but it's full of holes too.

Correction: some of it had to go, and I considered it non-canon even before the Disney thing.

Selectively keeping would have caused an even bigger uproar and shitstorm. "Why was MY pet not preserved?"

A blanket all or none policy was much more workable. And the actual really good stories were the ones that had the biggest restrictions on storytelling.

you're making the mistake of assuming I care what Disney decided as new canon policy.

personally, I cut bits out of the old canon LONG before Disney did anything to it

you're making the mistake of assuming I care what Disney decided as new canon policy.

personally, I cut bits out of the old canon LONG before Disney did anything to it

You're making the mistake of thinking that your headcanon actually matters in the world outside your head.

Disney has called the shots on what is and what is not canon.

They don't give a flying hoot if you like it or not.

Heck, I don't care if you like it or not.

The movies, TCW, Rebels and the newest books are canon.

Everything else is "well, maby, we'll see" until either proven or disproven by new material.

Nobody cares what you think is or is not canon. And you saying things like "Disney can do what they want, but it's an alternate universe at best." only shows your arrogance and ignorance.

It's not about you. You have no say in it.

At most, all you can say is "I don't like this new stuff, I'm gonna read the old stuff even if it isn't canon"

TCW is like, tertiary canon at best, though.

TCW is definitively canon. There is no tertiary vs. movie canon now. Cad Bane is going to be in Rogue One.

In fact, everything talking about Dengar being cybernetically enhanced and beaten by Han Solo is now non-canon.

This is true.

However, Wookieepedia has updated his profile.

Apparantly, now he became a bounty hunter before the accident, but Han still caused the accident.

Or something to that effect.

Couldn't be bothered to read all of it since I just woke up

I care, and you can all go to hell.

The stat called Pilot Skill in this game is for timing purposes only. It does not and cannot accurately represent the abstract notion of piloting prowess.

If PS was meant to be an accurate measure of piloting prowess, that would mean that this game considers Tarn Mison (a unique character with rather useful special ability) to be less skilled than a bunch of nameless Red Squadron Pilots who have no such special ability.

PS is not piloting prowess. It is strictly a timing mechanic with a flavorful name.

Except that it really does seem intended to represent pilot prowess, or at least was originally. Most of the pilots, especially the big name ones, fall where you would expect them to - Wedge, Vader, Fel, Luke, Han, Tycho, Rookies vs. Red Squadron, Academy Pilots... You might quibble by a point or two, but the vast majority of pilots fit largely where you'd expect them to based on the lore, but only if PS is actually intended to represent pilot prowess.

There are certainly exceptions, which we're getting more and more of, but come on... You can seriously look at the distribution and claim there's no correlation between the pilot's skill in the lore and their PS? With a straight face?