Sorry to complain, but are these really any different? I know the Inquisitor's TIE has slightly more rounded wings, but I figured that was just the animation style of Rebels and teh fact that it was an earlier model.... but come on - it didn't need to be a whole new ship. I really hope they treat it like an advanced and allow it to equip the advanced title. Otherwise it just seems silly to have made an all new mold for a ship that is... well, it's the same ship - it just happened to be in a cartoon instead of Episode 4.

The key difference is that one is from a cartoon, and the other one is real.

Actually, neither is real, one comes from a animation tv series. the other come from the Live action movie.

The important question is can the inquistors tie take the title card or not?

No. The TIE/x1 card is for the TIE Advanced. The TIE Advanced Prototype comes with its own TIE/v1 title.

For those who somehow aren't convinced, TIE/x1 is an enormous buff. FFG wouldn't release a new ship that also needs the Raider to be playable.

The important question is can the inquistors tie take the title card or not?

No. The TIE/x1 card is for the TIE Advanced. The TIE Advanced Prototype comes with its own TIE/v1 title.

For those who somehow aren't convinced, TIE/x1 is an enormous buff. FFG wouldn't release a new ship that also needs the Raider to be playable.

The Prototype doesn't NEED the x1 title... but going by current rules and how they have ruled on the TIE Mk.II card... It sure looks like the Prototype CAN take the x1 title. Time will tell...

Unfortunately, with the inclusion of the Inquisitor's TIE and with Episode 7 likely to arrive for wave 9 I fear we may never see the Avenger.

Episode 7 is "on the water", they said. It's likely to appear before Wave 8 hits.

That is to say, no Episode 7 X-Wing. They're doing something new for 7 but can't talk about it yet.

Hold the phone here... How did you get that the Episode 7 stuff that's "on the water" won't include a new X-wing out of the comment left by FFG?

https://twitter.com/FFGames/status/627158140254048257

Does the prototypes dial say tie advanced on it? If not it can't use the card.

Does the prototypes dial say tie advanced on it? If not it can't use the card.

It does!

Does the prototypes dial say tie advanced on it? If not it can't use the card.

It does!

One less Hull than the standard TIE on a ship known for having extra armor plating...

So it is a TIE Advanced, specifically a TIE Advanced Prototype. Therefore I would argue that it CAN indeed take the TIE X1 Title if it wants to.

Technically, it's a TIE Adv. not a TIE Advanced.

Also, given that the ship comes with it's OWN Title Card that says TIE Adv. Prototype only. It seems unlikely that the TIE Advance title is applicable.

Look, I don't care right now. I'm just super excited to see this ship! It seems a hybrid of a regular Tie Fighter, the Tie Advanced, and a Tie Interceptor. It can Boost, Barrel Roll, and Target Lock. You take the title card and it can get a free Evade when it gets a TL! That's so cool! I see these things as being pretty useful. PTL will let you get 3 actions! Mk II Engine will let you get rid of the stress. I'm a happy camper.

So it is a TIE Advanced, specifically a TIE Advanced Prototype. Therefore I would argue that it CAN indeed take the TIE X1 Title if it wants to.

Technically, it's a TIE Adv. not a TIE Advanced.

Also, given that the ship comes with it's OWN Title Card that says TIE Adv. Prototype only. It seems unlikely that the TIE Advance title is applicable.

This logic does not hold water.

First, It DOES say Tie Advanced. Adv. is an abbreviation for Advanced. There are other elements in the game that use abbreviations, but it doesn't change the nature or identity of the element.

Second, based off the recent announcement and ruling on how the TIE Mk.II Modification works ( TIE only) , anything with TIE in the name is a TIE. Would this not also hold true with the Tie Advanced Prototype? A TIE Defender is just as much a TIE as a TIE Interceptor or TIE Fighter.

Third, the TIE /x1 reads differently than the TIE/v1. TIE Advanced Only for the x1 title and TIE Adv. Prototype Only on the v1. I doubt the X1 Title was created before FFG started planning for the Prototype. If they didn't want the x1 Title to be viable on the TIE Adv. Prototype, they would have just labeled it Prototype.

Until FFG clarifies on this, my logic holds up.

First, It DOES say Tie Advanced. Adv. is an abbreviation for Advanced. There are other elements in the game that use abbreviations, but it doesn't change the nature or identity of the element.

Such as?

I disagree on the grounds that your interpretation on your 1st point is merely your opinion.

First, It DOES say Tie Advanced. Adv. is an abbreviation for Advanced. There are other elements in the game that use abbreviations, but it doesn't change the nature or identity of the element.

Such as?

This one comes to mind...

Given that thus far every single title they have released ever has been limited to one model with one dial I doubt that they will change that now, particularly considering that this one already comes with its own title that no one in their right mind would ever take over the X1 title.

This one comes to mind...

And what other card or rule in the game that refers to Advanced Proton Torpedoes is applied to Adv. Proton Torpedoes?

Yes, there are other abbreviations in the game. Are there any rules in the game that refer to a card without an abbreviation that also applies to one that has one?

I thought that, too, for a moment, except:

One of the best and most compelling things about X-Wing is that it's not just a great miniatures game; it's a Star Wars miniatures game that's loaded to the S-foils with the tension and drama of the Galactic Civil War .

[Emphasis added.] https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/7/31/xwing-out-of-hiding/

So, no.

This one comes to mind...

And what other card or rule in the game that refers to Advanced Proton Torpedoes is applied to Adv. Proton Torpedoes?

Yes, there are other abbreviations in the game. Are there any rules in the game that refer to a card without an abbreviation that also applies to one that has one?

This line of argument does not disprove my first and second points. The TIE Engine Mk.II card gives my argument legs to stand on.

I also agree that if my argument held to be true, it would be the first title that works on more than one miniature. Again, they are both TIE Advanced, so it makes sense.

Could FFG rule the the TIE Advanced and the TIE Adv. Prototype are not both "Advanced"... sure. But why not just label the ship TIE Prototype to avoid this line of questioning?

We won't know for sure till FFG gives us more on this exciting new miniature. Till then, I see the argument that literally "TIE Adv" and "TIE Advanced" are two different dial names. But one must also recognized that Adv. stands for Advanced.

Either way is fine for me. I thought for sure it would have a sensor slot so it would make sense if it could take either title. I really really like the inquisitor. I really really like the "imperial awing" and feel it hits the point a lot in the empire that really needed flushing out. If the PS 2 is 14 we're going to see a lot of new imperial builds (makes fitting a cheap shuttle in a bit easier!).

It also makes the Scyk look just silly (although tractor Scyks could be a thing).

I am so pleased with this ship. Hope the other pilots are just as powerful and/or fun so that it's as big a hit as it should be.

The era of the advanced is coming. I am ready.

Because LFL wouldn't let them?

It's highly unlikely that FFG will allow the V1 to use the X1 title. I mean, why would they include the V1 title that is a bit inferior. It isn't like this is the first time FFG's ruling has been on shaky ground.

real question is how is it different from the avenger??

real question is how is it different from the avenger??

The Prototype is in the game... and the Avenger is not. *ba-dum-dum*

I'll be here all night folks!

This is exactly 100 points:

Jendon w/Emperor and Title

Vader w/x1, ATC, and Lone Wolf

The Inquisitor w/v1, Autothrusters, and PTL

I'd rather have Predator on Vader and having points for the Mk. II might have been nice but there's a lot of Dark Side in this list. Jendon carts the Emperor around the outskirts of the fight giving The Inquisitor the equivalent of 4 actions a round (3 of them at the start of the Combat phase), the Inquisitor tries to hang back at range 3. Vader gets up in people's grills and dishes out crtis.

I started a thread over in the Squad List forums.

Judging by the price of the Inquisitor and comparing that to other PS 8 ace prices for empire I think the points cost will be slightly under the equivalent ps interceptors with the ps 2 being in the 15-17 range.

... the V1 title that is a bit inferior ...

With as awesome as v1 is it is funny to see it referred to as inferior. People would have been gushing over it before the x1 dropped.

... the V1 title that is a bit inferior ...

With as awesome as v1 is it is funny to see it referred to as inferior. People would have been gushing over it before the x1 dropped.

Thats true lol but the X1 is easily the best title in the game.

Judging by the price of the Inquisitor and comparing that to other PS 8 ace prices for empire I think the points cost will be slightly under the equivalent ps interceptors with the ps 2 being in the 15-17 range.

I'll throw my hat into the guessing game.

The Defender has a 7 point gap between Rex (PS8) and Delta (PS1), Between Juno (PS8) and Tempest (PS2) there is a 7 point difference. The Alpha Interceptor is 18 points, and I just don't see the PS2 Prototype going for less than that.

My guess is base cost of 18 to 20.