Don't be intimidated by the shortcuts on vassal. I've played 20 or so games, and I still use the right click and select for a lot of things, and I've never had someone have an issue with it. Vassal is great fun, is free, and is used by a lot of top level players, so you can measure yourself against the best.

Only part that I find annoying is the list building and saving, but it's necessary to make it a little taxing to save the integrity of the tabletop game.

So how about TTS plus HTC Vive? Ooooh! I could play X-Wing for realsies, but my opponent could be a Wookie!

I'm confused... or else the OP is.

There is as far as I know, nothing on Steam that would allow you to play X-Wing miniatures. The only online option is Vassal.

There are a number of X-Wing video games you can get on Stream, but again those are video games and not the same thing as X-Wing miniatures.

Vassal will be updated with each release to this game, but the X-Wing video games as far as I know won't get any sort updates unless it's a fan based project as those games are really quite old. They're awesome and I spent no doubt a couple thousand hours playing them.

Board game simulator has allot of table top games downloaded to include X-wing. How up to date is it well that depends on the modder supporting it.

I was looking at the Steam version too. I'll try it if you try it.

Although, I don't know why it doesn't get taken down for copyright infringment or somesuch.

but its got the Twelik Dancing Girl nose art of Andrastia on it? You can't buy that from FFG.

The vassal interface is way better and X-wing has an excellent vassal module. If you like playing the game, it runs quickly and easily. TTS is yeah it has physics but honestly when you're playing on a computer screen the physics just gets in the way anyway. I'd go Vassal every time, even if both were free.

You don't even really need the hotkeys anyway, you can just right click and get the maneuver you want.

I never knew steam had a X-wing table top game, I will have to check it out.

If it's available on steam then I imagine it had been licensed like the Talisman one.

Now that it's been posted here I give that Steam Workshop version three days before FFG's lawyers take it down.

So i'm in the community group for the TTS X-Wing group. Just here to give information from someone who actually has played it.

I've tried both, and frankly, i'd pick TTS every single time. Vassal looks and feels outdated. It feels like playing the original Star Warriors tabletop game, which was basically proto-X-Wing. TTS costs money, yes, so i can understand an unwillingness to pay for it when Vassal is free. But for someone like me who plays a LOT of tabletop games, TTS should be on your list anyways, since there's mod support for pretty much every single tabletop game ever made.

TTS is really easy to get behind compared to Vassal, at least in my opinion. Since it's a physics thing, you're not doing anything that you don't already know how to do in real life. You lay down your movement pieces, pick up your ship, and you move it. You drag tokens out of a bag and lay it down wherever you want. There's no keyboard shortcuts for moves because you do everything yourself, and personally i feel like that puts more feeling into the game. And being able to inspect your ships(which are appropriately colored for whoever you're flying; I.E. Wedge will have an X-Wing with the correct markings, as will Fel, etc.) is really neat as well. Vassal is what you play when you need to practice, TTS X-Wing is what you play when you want to blow off some steam with your buddies(not that you can't practice in TTS as well). It's actually fun, something ive never had when i played Vassal. I'd say if you're thinking about TTS, please attempt it. The community here is fading, and new blood will rekindle the flames.

Yeah, it's a little clunky, as it will be since you're losing a degree of motor control, but it feels better to play than Vassal. And the added bonus of being able to play whatever you want on TTS with full physics support.

Plus the idea I have to pay for something which may not be legal and soon be taken down.

Vassal community seems to be growing.

It never takes long to find a game.

Like many others I was intimated to go online, when I finally did, people were very helpful, and doesn't take long to start remember the short cuts

Games can go very fast if both players are familiar with it (I flew a 6 ship build against a 3 ship build and was done within an hour)

Sure vassal feels clunky, but hey, it's free! And the guys who put in their time to update it constantly don't get anything for it except the satisfaction of knowing it helps people from around the world get together.

I recommend vassal to the op

Free

Updates constantly with new ships even before released!

Easy to find games

Growing community

Very helpful community

Not to mention this is where top players play.

Vs steam

Not updated constantly (from what I've read)

No hot keys according to post I quoted

Dwindling community

Charges you money for something that maybe infringing on licencing agreements

I do appreciate the time and effort people like MuOn and others have put into Vassal; and I think it's great that FFG has allowed Vassal to continue as an onine option. OTOH I'm kind of of the opinion that any physical miniatures game is missing a huge marketing opportunity by not linking the purchase of a miniature to having a parallel object in an online electronic game.

Webkinz did this years ago with plush toys. With a miniatures game like X-wing, Armada, or Imperial Assault consumers could purchase a model and be provided a code that gives them access to that model in online versions of the game in question.

People can then play the electronic version, the physical version, or both as they see fit. Purchasing a model would give you permanent access to the model in the game as well as access to the game itself for a period of time. With Webkinz it was a year, but you could also pay for a subscription without purchasing a plush toy.

Disney Infinity is already doing this so in terms of what Disney is 'ok' with it should also be possible.

You have to purchase the game for consoles but it is free on PC (although a bit more limited than than the console versions) - but with the PC or mobile apps the barrier to entry is greatly reduced. You can get the free app and purchase a single model for $10 and get playing (which of course leads to more purchases generally

If you're curious about TTS in general, there's a pair of videos on totalbiscuit's youtube page where they use it to play Battlestar Galactica. Video is worth watching for comedic reasons as well.

I don't think FFG or Disney could have them take ti down, could they? It's free, after all, isn't it fair use? I know there are a lot of Pokemon apps on the app store which aren't even free - presumably if it were illegal they'd have been shut down years ago.

I don't think FFG or Disney could have them take ti down, could they?

Sure they could. Those ships are all property of LFL. Also the cards are all copyright protected by FFG. Vassal 'gets away with it' as it were because it doesn't actually include any copyright protected objects.

I don't think FFG or Disney could have them take ti down, could they?

Sure they could. Those ships are all property of LFL. Also the cards are all copyright protected by FFG. Vassal 'gets away with it' as it were because it doesn't actually include any copyright protected objects.

Frankly it will never happen. Ever. For starters, since the X-Wing mod is just that, a mod, free for all to use, and since the ships themselves are the fan-modeled ships from the X-Wing Alliance update, and everything has been modeled and textured by modders, not only would it be right on the edge of illegality on FFGs side, but the Modders aren't reasonably infringing upon any profits made by FFG in the same way that Vassal isn't either. If the X-Wing TTS group got sued, then Disney would also have to sue the X-Wing Vassal creators as well on the same grounds. Along with every single mod ever made for a Star Wars game. It'd be **** near legally impossible and cost more money than it would make. It would also set a precedence that any mod made for a game that uses copyrighted information would now be illegal, which is the exact opposite thing any reasonable person would want. Every single D&D mod made for TTS, or Monopoly mod could be sued by Wizards and Park Brothers, respectively. Take my word. It won't happen.

Also, this isn't the first, second, third, or fourth time the X-Wing TTS stuff has been posted here. Just saying.

I don't think FFG or Disney could have them take ti down, could they? It's free, after all, isn't it fair use? I know there are a lot of Pokemon apps on the app store which aren't even free - presumably if it were illegal they'd have been shut down years ago.

If free meant fair use piracy would be legal.

Frankly it will never happen.

Believe me they could, and they can pick and choose targets however they please. Free Star Wars content gets killed by laywers all the time. Remember the X-Wing Companion?

FFG doesn't like you putting their rules text on these free versions: they don't want it to be playable without buying the stuff.

For starters, since the X-Wing mod is just that, a mod, free for all to use

Doesn't matter. FFG shut down something for one of their LCG for doing the same thing this module is doing.

fan-modeled ships from the X-Wing Alliance update, and everything has been modeled and textured by modders

Those are still LFL models, they're using so Disney can take action regardless of who made the digital copy.

but the Modders aren't reasonably infringing upon any profits made by FFG

Doesn't matter, it's still a IP infringement, and Disney is very protective of their IP's.

I don't think FFG or Disney could have them take ti down, could they? It's free, after all, isn't it fair use? I know there are a lot of Pokemon apps on the app store which aren't even free - presumably if it were illegal they'd have been shut down years ago.

If free meant fair use piracy would be legal.

Frankly it will never happen.

Believe me they could, and they can pick and choose targets however they please. Free Star Wars content gets killed by laywers all the time. Remember the X-Wing Companion?

FFG doesn't like you putting their rules text on these free versions: they don't want it to be playable without buying the stuff.

I didn't phrase that well, I didn't mean it's fair use because it's free, I just meant it's fair use AND it's free. Like I said, there are loads of non-free Pokedexs on the Apple App Store which, just like these virtual cards, contain all the in-game values relating to each character. If they're legal I'd expect these to be too.

If you blatantly take the same reasonable steps Vassal does (like erasing the rules text from cards) you should be fine.

There is a video of part of a match on youtube. Looks pretty clumsy to me. I guess I need to give Vassal another shot... Anyone wanna play?

There is a video of part of a match on youtube. Looks pretty clumsy to me. I guess I need to give Vassal another shot... Anyone wanna play?

Honestly doesn't look any clumsier than actually playing on a tabletop. It's very intuitive. I can see the appeal of Vassal once you learn all the shortcuts, but this little mod looks easier to pick up and play.

Also, lets remember that this is a mod for a game, not a game in itself. It's still possible for FFG/Disney/etc to give them the old C&D order, but a little less likely than if it was a paid game on its own. Think of this mod along the line of other mods in space sims that add Star Wars ships.

Do I think they'll get shut down? I give it 50/50

It's still possible for FFG/Disney/etc to give them the old C&D order, but a little less likely than if it was a paid game on its own.

No, because a IP holder has to be active in protecting it. That's why Disney sent a C&D to a daycare that had Disney characters painted on it's walls. It wasn't making any money from the art, but it was still a IP violation.

If they were charging money for this mo dual, then they would be hit with not only a C&D they'd also be sued for damages. A C&D simply says "stop doing this."

There is a video of part of a match on youtube. Looks pretty clumsy to me. I guess I need to give Vassal another shot... Anyone wanna play?

Visually I like it, but it seems to play really slow and clumsy. It's was painful just watching them move the ships & templates into position.

1) Grab and drag maneuver template (+ hunt for it if it was not placed neatly before)

2) manually fine adjust its shadow in front of the ship

3) Grab and drag the ship, rotate it manually as needed

4) manually fine adjust its shadow at the end of the template

5) store back the maneuver template

6) grab and drag a stress token

vs

1) left click on ship

2) hit CTRl-ALT-2 for k-turn

3) hit shift-S

1) Grab and drag maneuver template (+ hunt for it if it was not placed neatly before)

2) manually fine adjust its shadow in front of the ship

3) Grab and drag the ship, rotate it manually as needed

4) manually fine adjust its shadow at the end of the template

5) store back the maneuver template

6) grab and drag a stress token

vs

1) left click on ship

2) hit CTRl-ALT-2 for k-turn

3) hit shift-S

4) *mic drop*

fixed that for ya Mu0n

You know that annoying interface quirk in Vassal which made group selecting with the mouse invisible + slow?

It's fixed for the upcoming version

I no longer experience the 1 second lag in the map window when I group select.