A couple of usual stupid questions!

1- Tyrion Lannister (Shadow Crest): does his ability triggers for him coming out of shadows? I guess Yes...I mean, that's something like Castellan of the rock's ability triggering when HE comes into play...

2- From the FAQ: if there are no Characters partecipating during a challenge, that challenge ends immediately. But WHAT IF I declare a couple of "0 STR" Chars with Stealth and then "power them up" with, let's say, Longship Iron Victory? I guess to 0 STR char CAN be declared as attackers and the CHALLENGE goes on through resolution EVEN IF there is no ACTUAL STR partecipating (it's coming after, as an action).

3- SHADOW POLITICS...MORE A CURIOSITY THAN A QUESTION...I think I know how it works, but the ADDITIONAL word is a bit misleading...Correct me If I'm wrong...During the Phase in which it came out of Shadows, I CAN DELCARE an Intrigue Challenge as a Standard Action...It has not to be the Challenges.

It seems STUPID to point out, but some players thought that the ADDITIONAL wording is not needed.

and...

I don't remember, but MORE TO COME ;-)

DB_Cooper said:

1. Yes

2. You can do exactly what you've explained

3. It has been clarified in the latest version of the FAQ. You can initiate an additional Intrigue challenge in the phase Shadow Politics comes out of shadows (not necesarily the Challenges phase)

DB_Cooper said:

The word "additional" actually is necessary if you DO bring the event out of Shadows in the Challenge phase, BTW.

Ok, guys.

Thanks ;-)

A question about the 2nd "scenario"... What if the attacker ends the current challenge with 0 Str (for example if someone uses To Be A Kraken on Longship Iron Victory triggered ability)?

Does he win the challenge anyway, or does the challenge stop immediately because the attacker has 0 Str?

thorin_81 said:

No, the challenge does not stops, but you CAN'T win the challenge. ;-)

The general principles here:

- In order to initiate a challenge, you must declare an attacking character to it. But since total challenge STR is not a factor, that character need not have any actual STR.

- In order to keep a challenge going, there must always be a participating character. If at any time, all participating characters are removed, the challenge ends. (Note that if all attacking characters are removed, but there is a participating defender, the challenge still continues - and you can get Renown or defense, for example.)

- In order to win the challenge, you must have both a participating character and a total challenge STR of 1 or greater at the time of challenge resolution. This is where that 0-STR character won't do you much good on its own.

ktom said:

Ok. Thank you very much. The last thing: I imagine that, if the total strenght of the attacking player is 0, no points for unopposed challenge are awarded (since the player cannot win the challenge)

Correct. A challenge cannot be "unopposed" if the attacker doesn't also win it.

Another question...

I don't want to open another Thread...By the way, the Title of the thread is vague ;-)

1- Rhaegar Targaryen is killed during the challenge phase...Now, from the FAQ, i read that "ALL THE PHASES ARE CONSIDERED TO END"...What's the matter with this errata? I've not anything against it, but I'd just like to understand it.

2- REAL GAME SITUATION: An oppo played Umber Berserkers (each player kills a character after it comes in to play). I choosed to kill Benjen Stark. I guess (THINKIN' ABOUT SOME RECENT TOPICS), that the controller of the Umber Berserkers chooses the order in which characters are killed, so the Stark player does, in this situation...If I have to kill Benjen Stark as the LAST char to die...Does the OPPO reshuffle the char he killed this way? (I know I CAN'T do it because of the MORIBUND state, but the question is for my oppo).

Thanks!

DB_Cooper said:

Let's say that before Rhaegar dies, your Greyjoy opponent had used Winter Armada on a character, giving it +4STR and Renown "until the end of the phase." Rhaegar dies, ending the round immediately, right? So without the errata, you never actually got to the "end of phase" framework action window for that phase - where the location effect was supposed to wear off. Does the character now have +4STR and Renown forever? Or better yet, say you played an Epic Battle event in the plot phase, only to have Rhaegar die and end the round in the challenge phase. You never got to end of the Epic phase, so does the event card stays there next to your plot forever or get discarded anyway?

Those are just a couple of the many "upkeep"-type things that happen at the end of the various phases. The errata makes sure that all the upkeep still happens and the "until the end of the phase" durations actually end. It's entirely a "clean up" kind of thing.

DB_Cooper said:

You're going to want to read through those recent topics again. The controller of the Umber Berserkers indicates which character he/she chooses to die first, then choices are made clockwise around the table from there. Then, the single killing effect kicks in and kills all the chosen character at exactly the same time . There are no conflicting resolutions here (only one effect is resolving), so there is no order of resolution for anyone (like the First Player) to determine. Nothing dies "first." Nothing dies "last." Everything dies (and enters moribund) together. So your "real game situation" is far less complicated than you are making it out to be. Benjen can't "die last" because there is only one, single effect doing all the killing. All of the characters killed by the Berserkers (including Benjen) die and enter moribund together, meaning that they will be physically removed from the table at the same time. So none of them are physically in their respective dead piles when Benjen's effect activates and shuffles said piles back into their respective decks.

Rule of thumb: Anything that is killed by the same effect as Benjen will not be shuffled back into the deck for the same reason that Benjen himself is not shuffled back in.

ktom said:

In this case, does the greyjoy character, with +4 str and renown, claim one power? Or does the round end before point for renown is awarded?

thorin_81 said:

Yes. Responses (Rhaegar) are played later. (step 3: framework events, step 5: responses)

Card of the day is...

HUNGRY MOB!!!

Do I have to kneel it if I play a card which costs 3 or more gold...OR do I kneel it when I phisically PAY 3 or more gold? I know that it seems pretty clear, but I'm just wondering...

Thanks!

;-)

Because the card says "after you pay 3 or more...," it is the modified cost and the actual outlay of cash, not the original cost before modification, that dictates whether or not you kneel the card. So it is when 3 or more gold leave your gold pool for a single effect that kneels the card.

ktom said:

And the way it's worded, you'd also have to kneel the guy if you paid for a 1-cost character with a +2 gold penalty (for example, Tommen out of house), unless you reduced his gold cost somehow. (Just pointing out one negative aspect of the way they worded it, because the wording at first glance seems like it's always going to be to the Stark player's benefit.)