After looking at the YV-666 stats and squad points it seems like the lambda shuttle is now outclassed in its very niche area. The generic YV-666 pilot has cheaper hitpoints, a much better dial and a 180 degree arc. The revealed unique pilots for the YV-666 are slightly more expensive per hp than the unique lambda pilots but they also have much better abilities. The only positive trait the shuttle has that the YV doesn't is the sensor upgrade slot and low cost. What do you think? Has the Empire's albino space bison lost relevancy in the meta?
Wave VII: No Hope for the Lambda Shuttle?
Call me when you can fly the YV-666 in Imperial lists.
Uhh.. the Omicron is significantly cheaper than the Slaver. You can slap an HLC on it and still be cheaper than the slaver.
It also has the advantage of access to the Imperial Only crew, several of which suit the Albino Space Bison as a support ship very well indeed:
- Darth Vader
- Fleet Officer
- Mara Jade
- Emperor Palpatine (eventually)
TThe YV-666 can do a very similar job, for scum, but more expensively
sensor upgrade slot
For a ship that hits other ships so frequently (often due to ships trying to block it), it's hard to overstate the value of this slot.
The obvious answer is that they're different factions....
But yes. And statistically: Show me the lambdas. There won't be any. Go ahead. Argue all you want against this. But back it up with your numbers in a few months. Even now, the lambda has like a 1% showing.
Theres two advantage to the Lander.
a) It benifits from imperial support. Dwarf Vader, Palpatine not to mention different ship support. Scum has some interesting support options, but it isn't outstanding like the rebellion crew.
b) It's sangificantly cheaper then the YT-666. The basic slaver costs 29, the basic lander costs 25. You could field 4 of them, though more likely you could field two and a few smalller ships, or an elite ship. You can't really do the same with a Slaver.
c) Systems. There's a good reason why ships that can generally have these are few and far between. Systems are really good value for money upgrades. The only ship in scum that has that is the Starviper, and only if you take a unique pilot and Virgo limited title card.
Theres two advantage to the Lander.
a) It benifits from imperial support. Dwarf Vader, Palpatine not to mention different ship support. Scum has some interesting support options, but it isn't outstanding like the rebellion crew.
b) It's sangificantly cheaper then the YT-666. The basic slaver costs 29, the basic lander costs 25. You could field 4 of them, though more likely you could field two and a few smalller ships, or an elite ship. You can't really do the same with a Slaver.
c) Systems. There's a good reason why ships that can generally have these are few and far between. Systems are really good value for money upgrades. The only ship in scum that has that is the Starviper, and only if you take a unique pilot and Virgo limited title card.
I can't tell if this is a diamond dozen post or google-translate
- Lander
- Dwarf Vader
- sangificantly
- 25pt lander
- Virgo title
I like the "Virgo" Title on Xizor... ![]()
Phone post i imagine, usual culprit for typo clusterbangs
If it's Google Translate or Autocorrect on a phone then it wouldn't say It "benifits". So I have no idea what form of technology has mangled his post.
Dwarf Vader was something I had just typed up, was gonna correct then figured it would be amusing to leave as it was.
The rest? Stemmed from not wanting to spend longer then a minute typing a post. I don't tend to spellcheck posts that I leave on this forum.
The shuttle is a support ship. The YV isn't. The two don't really compare.
As a Lamba lover I am mightily tempted to try 2 or 3 generic generic YV-666...
Doomshuttle: still the nastiest use of 24 points in the game.
Dwarf Vader
Dwarf Vader was something I had just typed up, was gonna correct then figured it would be amusing to leave as it was.
The rest? Stemmed from not wanting to spend longer then a minute typing a post. I don't tend to spellcheck posts that I leave on this forum.
In case you got the wrong imp ration, I'm not criticising, it's pretty funny.
Dwarf Vader was something I had just typed up, was gonna correct then figured it would be amusing to leave as it was.
The rest? Stemmed from not wanting to spend longer then a minute typing a post. I don't tend to spellcheck posts that I leave on this forum.
In case you got the wrong imp ration, I'm not criticising, it's pretty funny.
Ohhh, awesome! XD Sorry I am just being really dry at the moment.
Though that being said, life is like a box of imperial rations; Your gonna have to work to make a decent meal out of one of these. XD
Well, when life gives you laymen, make lame Juan aid with them?
To make my point, we could just as easily ask, "why would you ever use an Academy Pilot when you could just use a Prototype Pilot instead?" (in this case its the 3 squad points). You could also make a comparison between a Z-95 and an X-Wing.
It does have a much better dial and a 180 degree primary weapon arc. But that also costs 8 points.
Also, I think your HPs/Squad point calculations are off:
Shuttle
10/21 = .476 hps/squad point
Slaver
12/29 = .413 hps/squad point
My take is that it has similarities to the Shuttle (multiple crew slots, cannon slot) but there is enough of a difference that they are different beasts and will fit different roles. I think you will see unique pilots houndstooth a lot more than unique shuttle pilots and I also believe you will see more points spent on upgrades on a Houndstooth than you will see spent on a shuttle in general.
as covered, the lambda is fine
it's also not often seen, because it can't be made into an effective fat ship (dat dial, dat economic cost). In this era of 0 partial scoring, that's no good ![]()
In actual games, though, the bugger is basically an overweight B-wing. Slap on Vader and, for the price of two academy ties, you can give soonts nightmares.
Its a Vader taxi and that's about it.
The main problem with it is the named pilots are all kind of 'meh' and a little to expensive for what you get. I like Yorr the best out of them, but he's hard to use effectively. Usually he's slapped down with stress and cannot offer much to the fight. Kagi is okay, but he feels to me like an expensive Biggs. Jendon's ability is pretty hard to use without the title. It might be better with the newer ordnance or some Tie Advances and ATC. We'll see.
Palpatine is Wave VII's gift to the shuttle. As is typical for the scheming SOB, I think we're underestimating him.
The ability to mitigate the negative effects of RNG on any of your rolls is massive, especially when so many Imperial ships live or die by their green dice. Soontir Fel will become even more obnoxious, just you watch.
Edited by LaserBrainIts a Vader taxi and that's about it.
The main problem with it is the named pilots are all kind of 'meh' and a little to expensive for what you get. I like Yorr the best out of them, but he's hard to use effectively. Usually he's slapped down with stress and cannot offer much to the fight. Kagi is okay, but he feels to me like an expensive Biggs. Jendon's ability is pretty hard to use without the title. It might be better with the newer ordnance or some Tie Advances and ATC. We'll see.
I have had good experience with FCS, Gunner and Engine Upgrade (It may be able to fly without the EU but I am to scared). It ends up being a predictable target that can do a lot of damage and as a result draws a lot of early game fire. The EU is there to get it to range of the enemy faster (and react to unfavorable setup due to low pilot skill) and increase the ships turn rate (although I do not know if I have ever had it survive long enough to need to make a turn).
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Also, I think your HPs/Squad point calculations are off:
Shuttle
10/21 = .476 hps/squad point
Slaver
12/29 = .413 hps/squad point
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You are correct, I was using 14 hp for the YV-666 and realized it after shutting down my computer in the early morning. Thanks!
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b) It's sangificantly cheaper then the YT-666. The basic slaver costs 29, the basic lander costs 25. You could field 4 of them, though more likely you could field two and a few smalller ships, or an elite ship. You can't really do the same with a Slaver.
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What is this basic OGP cost of 25? I am going to assume that you mean an OGP with engine upgrade. If thats the case you have reduced the cost difference between the "basic" ships to only four squad points, and I still think that the YV is better for its cost. By paying 4 points to upgrade the lambdas movement (which requires an action and is capable of being obstructed) you show how much further ahead the YV dial is.
Palpatine is Wave VII's gift to the shuttle. As is typical for the scheming SOB, I think we're underestimating him.
The ability to mitigate the negative effects of RNG on any of your rolls is massive, especially when so many Imperial ships live or die by their green dice. Soontir Fel will become even more obnoxious, just you watch.
Emperor Palpatine takes two crew slots, so barring epic games imperials can only play him on the lambda and the decimator thus far. I haven't played any proxy games with him, so I don't have any authority on how much impact he has on the game. Have you any? At 8 points he is a significant investment, and I think we will see him most often on chira-fel or chira-whisper build. A fat lambda shuttle + 2 interceptor pilots sounds fun so I will try that in a few games.