I had a game the other night against a newer player. He had tycho with ptl, daredevil, and experimental interface.

During one round, he focused, then did a daredevil with experimental interface that landed him on a debris, he then did ptl to boost off it.

He thought it was legal because of tycho not being effected by the debris stress, but I thought it wasn't because regardless of stress, you can't take an action when on an obstacle.

Or does PTL get around that somehow? I do know that someone can give you a free action while on a obstacle, and you can barrel or boost off it if the template doesn't touch the obstacle at all, so maybe it's the same idea?

It didn't have a big effect on the game either way so I let him keep the boost.

Nothing in the rule book prevents you from taking actions while on an obstacle token, what he did was legal.

Overlapping an asteroid causes you to lose your regular action ("Skip your Perform Action step"), but leaves you free to perform free actions.

Overlapping a debris field, causes you to receive 1 stress token, which prevents you from doing any actions, including free actions. But in this case, the pilot is Tycho, who can perform actions even while stressed, so he is allowed to use PtL to perform a boost action at this point.

And like you mentioned, remember that you can't boost or barrel roll off of an obstacle token if the maneuver template or final position of the ship overlaps any obstacle token.

I assume he had the A-wing Test Pilot on Tycho as well, otherwise he has to explain to you how he got 2 EPTs on the same pilot.

It wouldn't be PtL as such but rather the difference between Asteroids and Debris Clouds. Debris gives Stress which normally shuts down actions except in Tycho's case. An Asteroid cancels the ship's Perform Action step but otherwise does nothing to prevent actions.

Ok so here's one, what if instead of the debris token it was an asteroid instead? How would that have played out? If we follow the sequence of events here I'm kind of confused myself haha. So first he focuses, then does daredevil which then lands him on an asteroid. Now is he still able to use his ptl in this case since he took a focus action earlier? I was under the impression you had to perform that ptl action right after your first action. Is this not the case? Can you save your ptl action for later on in the cycle? Cuz that is what's going on in the original example with the debris token isn't it? Or is he triggering ptl off of the daredevil action?

Ptl triggers off any action, either your standard action or a free action (or an Experimental interface action as in this case). The trigger action does not need to be in the perform action step eg turr phennir barrel rolls after an attack, and can then trigger ptl.you can only use ptl once per round, but for most pilots, the stress would prevent a second chance anyway.

The key with using both ei and ptl is that they nest, so all the stress are assigned at the end.

Maneuvering through an asteroid causes you to skip your Perform Action step. It does not otherwise affect your actions.

If you Daredevil onto a rock, you've already performed your action in your Perform Action step. Boosting off with PTL is a card effect, not your Perform Action step.

Ok so here's one, what if instead of the debris token it was an asteroid instead? How would that have played out? If we follow the sequence of events here I'm kind of confused myself haha. So first he focuses, then does daredevil which then lands him on an asteroid. Now is he still able to use his ptl in this case since he took a focus action earlier? I was under the impression you had to perform that ptl action right after your first action. Is this not the case? Can you save your ptl action for later on in the cycle? Cuz that is what's going on in the original example with the debris token isn't it? Or is he triggering ptl off of the daredevil action?

It would be

-> focus

-> just performed focus action, trigger EI

-> perform Daredevil from EI

-> land on asteroid, just performed Daredevil action (receive daredevil stress), trigger PTL

-> perform boost action from PTL

-> boosted off asteroid (assuming template did not overlap), just performed boost

-> PTL completed, receive stress from PTL

-> EI completed, receive stress from EI

It has to be in that order because you can't PTL daredevil b/c its actions in your action bar only

Ok so here's one, what if instead of the debris token it was an asteroid instead? How would that have played out? If we follow the sequence of events here I'm kind of confused myself haha. So first he focuses, then does daredevil which then lands him on an asteroid. Now is he still able to use his ptl in this case since he took a focus action earlier? I was under the impression you had to perform that ptl action right after your first action. Is this not the case? Can you save your ptl action for later on in the cycle? Cuz that is what's going on in the original example with the debris token isn't it? Or is he triggering ptl off of the daredevil action?

It would be

-> focus

-> just performed focus action, trigger EI

-> perform Daredevil from EI

-> land on asteroid, just performed Daredevil action (receive daredevil stress), trigger PTL

-> perform boost action from PTL

-> boosted off asteroid (assuming template did not overlap), just performed boost

-> PTL completed, receive stress from PTL

-> EI completed, receive stress from EI

It has to be in that order because you can't PTL daredevil b/c its actions in your action bar only

Ok got it, so it is triggering off of daredevil. I figured it would need to be that way but wasn't sure about the timing of ptl. I never really thought about it since ptl doesn't say "immediately perform". I'm guessing the timing has to refer to resolving all of a cards abilities before moving to another card. I know that's in the rules somewhere about resolving cards fully first.

Maneuvering through an asteroid causes you to skip your Perform Action step. It does not otherwise affect your actions.

If you Daredevil onto a rock, you've already performed your action in your Perform Action step. Boosting off with PTL is a card effect, not your Perform Action step.

Is this true???

Does this mean if I maneuver into an asteroid I can still PTL off it with a boost or Barrel roll?

So long as you meet the requirements of the boost/roll, yes. Specifically the restriction that says you cannot boost/roll if any part of the maneuver template or the ship's base in its final position overlaps the obstacle.

What that means is, if the front of your ship is on the obstacle there is no way to place the boost template so that it doesn't overlap, but if the back of your base is on the obstacle, your front is clear and you can boost. Same with BRs, just with the sides instead of front/back.

But the PTL card states "After" you perform an action... if you cant perform an action when you land on the asteroid how are you able to PTL off with a boost?

But the PTL card states "After" you perform an action... if you cant perform an action when you land on the asteroid how are you able to PTL off with a boost?

Like Lemonhead said in the 2nd post in this thread, You can perform action while on obstacles. When you land on an asteroid you skip your "perform action step". That's it. It says nothing about stopping OTHER actions, you just don't get the one action that you perform during the perform action step.

Debris Fields don't even do that, you get your perform action step but they do give you a stress, which would normally prevent all actions. but since tycho can perform actions while stressed he doesn't care.

I think this may be contested in matches due to how it is worded in the PTL card.

To my understanding because you have not perform an action due to "skip perform action step" (meaning you couldn't do any action to start with) how are u able to PTL.

as the card clearly states you have to have performed an action to be able to trigger PTL, by losing your action step you cant activate the free action.

as the card clearly states you have to have performed an action to be able to trigger PTL, by losing your action step you cant activate the free action.

Reread the example being discussed. Tycho HAS performed an action, Daredevil, and immediately after completing that he executed Push the Limit.

You can't move onto an asteroid with your normal maneuver, skip your perform action step and then trigger Push the Limit, but that isn't (even close) to what is happening in the example being discussed.