Man, she is going to cut her own arm off, standing like that!

She is obviously from the era after RotJ when there is this legend that all cool Jedi got their hands cut off, so there is this Jedi cult cutting their own hands off to imitate Anakin and Luke. Think a hand-removing cargo cult ...

Lightsabers are supposed to be overpowered in the right hands with the right training. Can they be overcome? Potentially, depending on the knowledge, training, and skill of those going against them. I love what they've done with the lightsabers in Force and Destiny. I hope they keep up the good work and keep the positive changes coming.

Lightsabers are supposed to be overpowered in the right hands with the right training. Can they be overcome? Potentially, depending on the knowledge, training, and skill of those going against them. I love what they've done with the lightsabers in Force and Destiny. I hope they keep up the good work and keep the positive changes coming.

Overcome? Not super difficult. 3 Advantage or Triumph. definitely 1, possibly 2 or more options (depending on GM)

3 advantage/1 Triumph = Disable 1 piece of opponents gear instead of inflicting damage

3 advantage/1 Triumph = Deny opponent defensive bonuses till the end of the current round (this depends on the GM and if he considers Parry/Reflect a defensive bonus or only the bonus setback dice from Defense)

Lightsabers are supposed to be overpowered in the right hands with the right training. Can they be overcome?

Grenades. Thermal Detonator. Flamethrower. Anything that can't be Reflected or Parried. Of course this is all under the assumption they don't have things like Protect, in which case you just get a lot more people with Thermal Detonators to join in.

Lightsabers are supposed to be overpowered in the right hands with the right training. Can they be overcome?

Grenades. Thermal Detonator. Flamethrower. Anything that can't be Reflected or Parried. Of course this is all under the assumption they don't have things like Protect, in which case you just get a lot more people with Thermal Detonators to join in.

Move power to disarm, or 3 well-spent Advantage to disarm. Assuming they don't have the Resist Disarm talent!

One question, Attachmens difficulty can be reduced by 2 if you modify your own lightsaber, but, with lightsaber crystal mods (where you can add Force Rating) also reduces difficulty by 2 or this only applies to attachmens but not to mods?

Attachments don't require any skill checks to install (except for Bowcaster attachments and Filing your own Front Sight, EotE CRB 189-190). You pay the price, and the attachment is installed. Voila!

Modding Attachments, that is, installing mods on attachments, takes a mechanics check. This is where the reduced difficulty for modding Lightsaber attachments comes in.

Say, for example, you've built your own lightsaber with a standard Ilum crystal attachment. You then want to mod the attachment, selecting one of the options that the attachment allows. You choose the +1 damage mod and make an Easy (1 Difficulty) mechanics check, including your Force dice. The default difficulty to make the first mod to your attachment is Hard (3 Purple), but since it's your own lightsaber, you get to reduce the difficulty by 2. So that is how that works.

Thank you so much for the explanation

Man, she is going to cut her own arm off, standing like that!

Having much personal experience with swords. She is in no danger. Trained people tend to have good proprioception.(your internal knowledge of where your body parts are. It is what allows you to touch your own face in complete darkness.) So she is in no danger because she is fully aware of where both arms and the lightsaber is.

Man, she is going to cut her own arm off, standing like that!

Having much personal experience with swords. She is in no danger. Trained people tend to have good proprioception.(your internal knowledge of where your body parts are. It is what allows you to touch your own face in complete darkness.) So she is in no danger because she is fully aware of where both arms and the lightsaber is.

Uh, no. I don't know where you got your "much personal experience with swords" but the stance she is holding is very foolhardy and inappropriate for that type of sword. The question is not whether she might get confused about where her forearm is whilst just standing there. If she's in a combat stance presumably she is in combat, or training for when she is. Firstly, you are not solely in control of your sword when fighting. What she accomplishes by holding her forearm under the blade is to ensure that if her enemy forces the blade down at all with any kind of downward strike, it will cut it off with her own weapon. And the length of the blade extended forward from her body simply means her opponent can accomplish this without even having to close as much or use much force (as holding a long object perpendicular with just elbow and wrist strength against an external pressure is really hard. The only reason your arm there would help would be when you have a FLAT blade and could use your second arm for support; and as I pointed out in my first post, this is the very opposite of a flat blade.

Secondly she leaves her entire lower body open. By placing her own arm below the blade like that she makes it impossible for her to parry anything below her upper chest. I.e. 4/5ths of her body is unprotected. The only regard in which this stance provides defensive benefit is in so far as the forward extending length of the blade gives you threat range to keep the enemy at bay. But this is deceptive as she has next to know horizontal strength behind the sword in that stance. Try it - hold any long object with your elbow out 90° from your body. The slightest pressure from side to side on that object and it will move, yu wont have the strength to push back because the angle of your muscles is all wrong. Meaning anyone can sweep that blade to the side with just the quickest and lightest if strikes and the circle sweep down to the unprotected lower 4/5ths of her body. And heaven forbid that she come up against one of the dual-weapon styles so popular in the PT/TCW because the an opponent could use the shorter blade to completely control her restricted sword positioning whilst striking at her vulnerable lower body.

The stance she is holding is a stabbing stance. You would use it for weapons where you want to punch forward, e.g, a gladius which I mentioned in my first post. You would use it in a scenario where you had a shield, and if you imagine a round shield on her spare arm the stance suddenly makes sense. You might also use it in a "brawl" style scenario where you were expecting your opponent to grapple you or you were fighting in a very enclosed space. It's a tavern / forest / tunnel fighting stance, maybe, where there can't be wide swings. And its good for protecting against disarms - the grappling opponent scenario I mentioned. But not with a weapon that long with a 360° edge and with no shield and without exceptional restrictions to your manoeuvrability.

EDIT: Given the way she is combining this stance with a side-on position, she's also ensuring she has no guard whatsoever for the entire left side of her body and back, which she is exposing. Meaning pretty much the only strategy she has available to her with this stance is to step back. Really her only hopes of victory are if any of the following are true:

1. Her opponent is unarmed.
2. Her opponent does nit know she is there.
3. Her opponent feels bad about picking on someone who has no combat experience and leaves.

Who said she was in a stance? The flowing cape behind her told me she may have been in motion.

And besides, who cares. It's Star Wars. Rule of Cool and all that.

Also, as she is side-on and we can't see her below the waist, who's to say she doesn't have crab legs and thus a sideways stance would be normal for her...

For those interested, the lightsaber wielder depicted above is Sariss, dark Jedi apprentice to Jerec, from the old Dark Forces II video game. So no crab legs...but also a very overconfident swordsman.

Swordswoman?

Swordsperson.

Bah! I really wanted crab legs!

Who said she was in a stance? The flowing cape behind her told me she may have been in motion.

And besides, who cares. It's Star Wars. Rule of Cool and all that.

If she's in motion, that doesn't change anything I wrote and if that billowing cloak indicates motion rather than wind, then she appears to be running backwards which would make the positioning even odder. Though I do find the image of someone running backwards like that hilarious to picture.

As to who cares? Some do, some don't. It's really up to the person. Some people look at a picture and don't notice anything silly or aren't interested in it, another looks at it and goes "hey, wait a minute..."

Bah! I really wanted crab legs!

I'm sure you could offer the artist a commission... if that's what you're into.

if that billowing cloak indicates motion rather than wind,

Now i never suggested she had wind...

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She is obviously employing a very enhanced Dark Jedi taunting technique, telling her opponent(s) " look, I can prance around like this and you still cannot beat me " in order to humiliate them ... you can almost feel her opponent(s) gaining Strain all the time ...

(I still like the picture. We often see Jedi / Sith / lightsaber-wielders in general doing stuff in ways that have little to nothing to do with swords(wo)manship as we know it, so I simply accept that it is totally different)

It may shock some people to discover that the sword-fighting methods developed on Earth are likely to be COMPLETELY FRAKKING IRRELEVANT to fantasy mind-wizards wielding laser swords in a galaxy far, far away.

And the artists who draw them.

It may shock some people to discover that the sword-fighting methods developed on Earth are likely to be COMPLETELY FRAKKING IRRELEVANT to fantasy mind-wizards wielding laser swords in a galaxy far, far away.

Strange because I would think the basics of whether you can hit something being affected by whether something is in your way would be pretty constant. Or maybe I imagined all those scenes where people ducked into cover or parried a blow.

And the artists who draw them.

Depends on the artist, doesn't it? Are you saying people aren't allowed to like or dislike things in art now?

It may shock some people to discover that the sword-fighting methods developed on Earth are likely to be COMPLETELY FRAKKING IRRELEVANT to fantasy mind-wizards wielding laser swords in a galaxy far, far away.

Strange because I would think the basics of whether you can hit something being affected by whether something is in your way would be pretty constant. Or maybe I imagined all those scenes where people ducked into cover.

That's not even remotely what I was talking about. Thanks for willfully missing the point.

It may shock some people to discover that the sword-fighting methods developed on Earth are likely to be COMPLETELY FRAKKING IRRELEVANT to fantasy mind-wizards wielding laser swords in a galaxy far, far away.

Strange because I would think the basics of whether you can hit something being affected by whether something is in your way would be pretty constant. Or maybe I imagined all those scenes where people ducked into cover.

That's not even remotely what I was talking about. Thanks for willfully missing the point.

Then what was your point? Because it reads to me like you're saying we can't or shouldn't apply a knowledge of sword-fighting on Earth to that in the Star Wars setting because they're so different, sorry, I meant "FRAKKING IRRELEVANT". So how is me asking why basics such as blocking would be different missing the point?

And the artists who draw them.

Depends on the artist, doesn't it? Are you saying people aren't allowed to like or dislike things in art now?

I think that's fair. I'll stop wasting your time making you think I'm tell people what they can and can't like.

Well when you leap into a conversation to suggest that people shouldn't be talking about sword-fighting in Star Wars setting because you think it's irrelevant, it does kind of come across as you telling people they're wrong to be interested in it / care about it. Don't you think?

That's probably eating into your time to tell people what they can and can't like.

Okay, that's kind of an insult so please point out to me anywhere that I told people what they can and can't like? I'll be right here waiting, actual quote appreciated.

As an example I'll provide this:

Uh, no. I don't know where you got your "much personal experience with swords" but the stance she is holding is very foolhardy and inappropriate for that type of sword. The question is not whether she might get confused about where her forearm is whilst just standing there.

Your posts are demeaning, belittling, and condescending. If you don't see how your posts are disrespectful to other posters,telling them their opinions, experience, and head-canon is just wrong, then you simply don't comprehend the English language.

I expressed an opinion, and implied there may be more than is dreamt of in your philosophy, and you immediately resorted to the lowest forms of rhetoric.

You're a troll. Congratulations, you came up and made some noise, and now go scurry back to your bridge.

*Tries to drown out the argument by imagining "Do you want to build a snowman" being sung in the voice of Palpatine*

O_o

As an example I'll provide this:

Uh, no. I don't know where you got your "much personal experience with swords" but the stance she is holding is very foolhardy and inappropriate for that type of sword. The question is not whether she might get confused about where her forearm is whilst just standing there.

That's not me telling people what they can and can't like, that's me directly responding (you've cut off the quote part above it) to someone's comments on the validity of her stance. And you can see that I'm responding specifically about her stance. Where in the above is what you accused me of - telling people what they can and can't like. I posted some comments about her stance, someone else responded saying that they had "much personal experience with swords" and saying it was fine. So I replied. Pretty far stretch from that to what you claim I said.

Your posts are demeaning, belittling, and condescending. If you don't see how your posts are disrespectful to other posters,telling them their opinions, experience, and head-canon is just wrong, then you simply don't comprehend the English language.

Well I've never used ad hominems and insults like you have been towards me and I've never told people that what they say is "COMPLETELY FRAKKIN IRRELEVANT" which is how your post began or that they don't comprehend the English language or snide little comments about wasting my time telling people what not to like or called people a troll for discussing the sword techniques. But you do all of these and consider me to be at fault? Clearly I irritate you but nowhere have I been insulting like you have been. Seriously, telling people their head-cannon is wrong how exactly? Or disputing with someone who says they have lots of sword experience by actually examining her stance? That makes me a troll?

I expressed an opinion, and implied there may be more than is dreamt of in your philosophy, and you immediately resorted to the lowest forms of rhetoric.

No, I didn't. You said talking about real world sword techniques was "COMPLETELY FRAKKIN IRRELEVANT". I pointed out that people still block and dodge in Star Wars. That's hardly "the lowest form of rhetoric". Actually, you did more than that, your tone was openly mocking.

You're a troll. Congratulations, you came up and made some noise, and now go scurry back to your bridge.

Don't be so insulting. Actually, it was you who came into an existing conversation to assert how irrelevant it all was. And to name call. A supported argument is the "lowest form of rhetoric" but repeatedly calling me a troll is what, then? If you're not interested in debate, then just pass over those posts. Don't leap in to say the discussion shouldn't be taking place and then get angry and tossing around ad hominems when I respond. Sheesh!

*Tries to drown out the argument by imagining "Do you want to build a snowman" being sung in the voice of Palpatine*

O_o

Hmmm... I like it, but who would Palpatine be singing it to ? He doesn't seem to have any friends or siblings. (Poor Palpatine).

Though I do love the idea that he secretly has an older sister. What a terrifying thought! Would be a great twist for Episode VII.

EDIT: Han singing "Wookies are better than people..." perhaps? "Chewie don't you think that's true?"

*Tries to drown out the argument by imagining "Do you want to build a snowman" being sung in the voice of Palpatine*

O_o

Do you want to build a Sith Lord? C'mon let's go and slay!

-EF