Top 5 Non-Collectible Miniature Lines--Spring 2015

I wonder what place Age of Sigmar will be self-consciously shuffling into?

I wonder what place Age of Sigmar will be self-consciously shuffling into?

The bargain bin?

The bargain bin?

So, around the Dreadfleet level, then.

Non-Collectible

Pfft, tell that to my wallet!

I dunno, right now I am reserving judgement of Age of Sigmar when I see the elf and new orc models. I like the chaos ones, but I greatly dislike the Sigmarines.

The round bases I like, as it gets rid of the stupid fantasy poses problem (come on, they sucked) It also allows freeform positioning, I've actually seen sword and board fronts with spears behind and it makes sense.

The rules themselves I actually like.

And the GW rep at the latest store did pose a good question to me: What's better, a broken points system (40K) or none at all (AoS).

Gotta hand it to him, he's not wrong.

Maybe when I am done my move i'll pick up a box set, but most of all I want to redo my elves.

And the GW rep at the latest store did pose a good question to me: What's better, a broken points system (40K) or none at all (AoS).

LOL - a GW rep said THAT?! Sounds like they won't be a GW rep for long...

Mind you though... "What's better, a broken system or a system that doesn't even attempt to work in the first place?" ...yep, GW logic, right there.

I think Armada surprises me a bit. Did not see that level of acceptance that it beat Privateer Press but not shocked at all.

Armada is the new hotness. I think it's pretty natural for it to spike pretty hard over a very established line like Warmahordes, which probably mainly about existent players maintaining based on new models. I'll be curious to see what it is after the next quarter or two. I'm not sure the game has legs, especially once the full points values are reached and tournaments become Ironman marathons.

But FFG seems to be able to basically print money with Star Wars stuff these days, so it wouldn't surprise me to see it hold up there.

You know what tho Gecko? All it did was remind me of a 2nd ed game I played many years ago, where we and my opponent (my Nephew) both just kinda brought what units were around and had a fair bit of scenery down. I remember snipers taking out people from ruins then khorne berzerkers charging into said ruins, and then assault marines assaulting into the melee. I remember a terminator firing a full cyclone barrage basically annihilating a huge amount of cultists (as played by necromunda minis) and a dreadnought fight.

Such a game would only be playable in unbound/apocalypse. But it was awesome. and with a little tweaking we can see that again.

Let's face it, 40k sucks because people are too focused on a tournament mindset, and the rules just are NOT balanced enough to handle that. It'd need a whole new edition akin to 3rd ed all over again in terms of complete overhaul to work.

All AOS needs to make it into a top tier game in my opinion is a realms of chaos alike RPG/random army generator, with some possible advances for your hero characters.

I think Armada surprises me a bit. Did not see that level of acceptance that it beat Privateer Press but not shocked at all.

Armada is the new hotness. I think it's pretty natural for it to spike pretty hard over a very established line like Warmahordes, which probably mainly about existent players maintaining based on new models. I'll be curious to see what it is after the next quarter or two. I'm not sure the game has legs, especially once the full points values are reached and tournaments become Ironman marathons.

But FFG seems to be able to basically print money with Star Wars stuff these days, so it wouldn't surprise me to see it hold up there.

I'd be surprised if the ISD didn't spike it into first

that's some good, iconic **** right there. The amazing game mechanics will do the rest

Armada did launch with the CR-90, but it's so tiny

effective, but tiny

I'd be surprised if the ISD didn't spike it into first

that's some good, iconic **** right there. The amazing game mechanics will do the rest

Armada did launch with the CR-90, but it's so tiny

effective, but tiny

Maybe... But that's still very short term. Running out of iconic fighters is an issue for X-wing, but they're basically ALREADY out of iconic capital ships - heck, half the first wave was EU, and ugly EU at that. It's still new and shiny, but I expect it to fade quickly due to the high cost and lack of decent source material. But who knows? I'm pretty sure FFG licensed whatever stuff WotC puts on Magic cards, and people just keep right on buying.

high cost is malarkey; it's barely more expensive than x-wing and far cheaper than both 40k and warmahordes. I know a lot of people like to rag on the coreset, which provides roughly double the amount of army as the X-wing core (121 bare minimum imperial, 149 bare minimum rebels, not counting the mandatory commanders nor all the upgrades included bringing you at least to half of the current 300 point maximum and 38% of the future 400 point maximum though you can very easily get to 50% by applying a few upgrades as tarkin in a VSD 2 with howlrunner and 5 tie fighters already hits 179 points)

individual expansions run you exactly the same as the higher priced x-wing expansions. The cr-90 and neb will cost you a Starviper/x-wing/punisher, the assault frigate or VSD will cost you a decimator. The gladiator's stuck at normal large ship price because it's a big bastard on a small base.

It isn't until we get to the really large **** (ISD) that we start getting more expensive.

decent source material is another matter, but considering X-wing ran out of OT by wave 4 I think Armada will be fine

The only pity is that 40k sits at #1. It's toxic, but its reach remains vast.

The only pity is that 40k sits at #1. It's toxic, but its reach remains vast.

Armada surprised me as well.

I wonder how far xwing is ahead of privateer press because really warmahordes Should be combined.

40K is expensive, but it's still a really cool game with really cool miniatures. There's some quirks at the competitive level, but for casual club play it's a brilliant game.

Armada is also a really cool game with really cool models. I think it will continue to be popular long after wave 2 since it's the sort of game that doesn't rely on a continuous stream of new releases to make money. It's not an obscure IP like 40K, so it won't have any problem sucking in new players for YEARS after it's release. And with Disney pumping out more and more Star Wars movies they're basically printing money for FFG.

Top 5 Non-Collectible Miniature Lines--Spring 2015

Top 5 Non-Collectible Miniature Lines (hobby channel) reflects sales in Spring 2015. The charts are based on interviews with retailers, distributors, and manufacturers.

1 - Warhammer 40k - Games Workshop

2 - Star Wars X-Wing - Fantasy Flight Games

3 - Star Wars Armada - Fantasy Flight Games

4 - Warmachine - Privateer Press

5 - Hordes - Privateer Press

I think Armada surprises me a bit. Did not see that level of acceptance that it beat Privateer Press but not shocked at all.

It is surprising that right now the only miniature game that is topping X-wing is Warhammer 40k, just goes to testament although while it may be loosing popularity and have a shrinking player base it is still the most popular miniature games sort of like World of Warcraft with MMOs. I am also surprised that Armada had also surpassed Warmachines and Hordes however with both of those being an integrated game system with each other makes me wonder how they would had placed if those figures were combined. Sure that FFG made two games that are more popular than either of those but you cannot play a combined game of X-wing and Armada on the same table. Still it shows that FFG business in the miniature game market is strong.

Non-Collectible

Pfft, tell that to my wallet!

Also another question, what does the definition of non-collectible mean? I'll take a guess and mean you are supposed to do something more than just collect them however the prefix non, is a detractor so literally meaning be that it is below collections. However many people do purchase these miniatures just for show thus collect 3 or even for of each of these miniatures. So again why is it a non-collectible collection?

Collectable refers to randomized boosters, like MtG or the old WotC minis game, where you don't know what you're getting in the booster pack you're buying. Non-collectable refers to non-randomized boosters, like X-Wing or the Living Card Games, where you know exactly what you're buying when you buy it.

It is also worth noting that the icv2 data is collected from interviews and polls of US independent stores and distributors.. While it is interesting data, it does not include information beyond the US, nor does it take into account sales direct from the manufacturer.

At least, that is what I have been repeatedly told by multiple sources

nor does it take into account sales direct from the manufacturer.

Most manufactures don't sell directly. GW is the only one that I know of that really does that. Most have some sort of store, but I don't think they really get much sales from them, not when you can order from MM or CSI for less.

nor does it take into account sales direct from the manufacturer.

Most manufactures don't sell directly. GW is the only one that I know of that really does that. Most have some sort of store, but I don't think they really get much sales from them, not when you can order from MM or CSI for less.

Yeah, the caveats mainly apply to GW, but most game companies have some direct web sales and FFG at least has their own company store. Numbers derived from talks with independent FLGS owners will not factor those in either.