Hey all,

So I'm pretty certain of this, but I wanted to run it past the fine people here on the forum to make sure I'm not misleading anyone in my playgroup.

Assault concussion missiles trigger off a Black Critical die result. Step 5 in the attack phase is when you resolve damage and critical effects. Because the ACM resolves in step five, you cannot use defensive tokens against it (Because they resolve in Step 4). Meaning you cannot Redirect damage from ACMs.

Is this correct?

ACMs occur when you declare that you are using a critical effect after defense tokens are spent but before actual damage is dealt.

This means that the damage appears after tokens are spent so you can not block the extra damage with tokens.

Yes but they could be evaded

Yes but they could be evaded

No, if it gets past the step of spending tokens then it can not be Evaded.

So it will go:

Roll Dice;

Modify Dice

Add Dice (Dial or ability)

Defense Tokens (Evades spent here, you have to remove ALL black crits either via reroll or via removing the dice)

Declare what Critical effect you are using

Deal Damage.

Yes but they could be evaded

No, if it gets past the step of spending tokens then it can not be Evaded.

So it will go:

Roll Dice;

Modify Dice

Add Dice (Dial or ability)

Defense Tokens (Evades spent here, you have to remove ALL black crits either via reroll or via removing the dice)

Declare what Critical effect you are using

Deal Damage.

This. Evade could remove the [Crit] result during the spend defense tokens step, but once the attacker triggers a critical effect there isn't anything that can be done. It's important that the damage from ACM is separate, and doesn't contribute to the damage pool, so Brace won't affect it either.

Also, with Redirect, the hull zone you are going to redirect to is chosen when the token is spent, but the amount to be redirected only when you are actually suffering the damage. This means that ACM can blow off the last shield on the chosen zone and prevent you from redirecting any damage even though you spent the token.

That is true. I made sure to stare that all the crit icons need to be removed. Either by a reroll or removing the dice completely. Since the only way to remove a black dice is from a Paragon or Second player Opening Salvo shot, it usually won't ever occur.

Yea and that's what I meant if they one rolled one crit then you would have a chance to evade it before it took affect. If there's more then one black crit your out of luck

Since the only way to remove a black dice is from a Paragon or Second player Opening Salvo shot, it usually won't ever occur.

Or from Insidious. But yeah, removing a black die with Evade is about as likely as hitting a unicorn on your commute to work.

If you have mon mothma it's at least a possibility

If you have mon mothma it's at least a possibility

Since the only way to remove a black dice is from a Paragon or Second player Opening Salvo shot, it usually won't ever occur.

Or from Insidious. But yeah, removing a black die with Evade is about as likely as hitting a unicorn on your commute to work.

True. The tournament I played in all imperials used monti which I couldn't understand over screed but I guess it's cus monti is cheep

True. The tournament I played in all imperials used monti which I couldn't understand over screed but I guess it's cus monti is cheep

Since the only way to remove a black dice is from a Paragon or Second player Opening Salvo shot, it usually won't ever occur.

Or from Insidious. But yeah, removing a black die with Evade is about as likely as hitting a unicorn on your commute to work.

missed Insidious thank you. That should show you how often I see it work

with Mon Mothma it happens fairly regularly.

I don't let Insidious see my rear or if it does it is at long range

Since the only way to remove a black dice is from a Paragon or Second player Opening Salvo shot, it usually won't ever occur.

Or from Insidious. But yeah, removing a black die with Evade is about as likely as hitting a unicorn on your commute to work.

missed Insidious thank you. That should show you how often I see it work

with Mon Mothma it happens fairly regularly.

Black dice from fighters with rhymer vs mon mothma.

Black dice from fighters with rhymer vs mon mothma.

I don't run any squadrons and so far, the only time I really got any black crits was with my GSD with Demolisher. Screed would be in my VSD somewhere safe. On my last game, I finally got to use Insidious and when my opponent declared he was making me reroll my black (Screed'ed) crit die, I was totally confused. Although I knew how the attack sequence worked, I was "WTF is happening?!!??!"

Apparently, thus far, all my black dice have been rolled at close range so Evade tokens were useless and I've never seen them used against the black dice + ACMs + Screed combo. Once I got to use my Insidious to shoot my black dice at medium range, Evade tokens were now a viable tactic!

After 8 games and being able to use Insidious in only one game (and only shot 2-3x in that game), I'm thinking of swapping it out for something else.

Huh, no one used Mon Mothma against you. . .

I only saw her once, and that was against the CR90 swarm.

"We hatessss her!!!

She actually works well with neb swarms and frigates