I've not read any of the Y or JJK series. Mostly because, as noted, I didn't like his adult Jedi Academy books (or Darksaber).
I quite liked the short story spinning out of Anderson's books called "Simple Tricks," in "Tales from the New Republic." ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Simple_Tricks ). A really fun read.
There many articals about SW Legends material still being canon its secondary canon
Please provide some proof of this, I'd love to see a source that actually backs up this claim of yours, because so far the only official statement I've ever seen said that the EU is non-canon, and that there is no such thing as different levels of canon any longer.
The statement by LFL/Disney was quite clear.
From this point forward, everything is Canon, and everything that was part of the EU is non-canon. Parts of the EU could be made into canon, by being included in canon stories, but there would no longer be different levels of canon. Either it is, or is is not canon.
Oh and also there's this...
on her twitter account dated April 25th 2014, Lucasfilm Senior Editor Jennifer Heddle stated that all EU properties that predate the deal with Disney are "non-canon" (her words).
So again no... Legends is not secondary canon, the events of Legends carries no weight at all in regards of what will happen in the SW universe.
Also, we now know for a fact that the Emperor did not survive after Endor, that alone makes half if not more of the EU non-canon because he was the bad guy in so many of those stories. With out him the whole story simply falls apart.
It's BKL, don't even try. There's already a 6 page long argument made by Vigil.
EDIT: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/179349-star-wars-uprising/page-2
For your enjoyment
Oh good a personal attack. Well you have picked the wrong horses, two actully. The bad refrence VanorDM posted is discounted pretty much by Jennifer Heddles later post on twitter and other SW writters like James Luceno. You can find a list of everything she posted by searching her name eith the words canon, or do you have a problem with using search engines like Vigil, Osprey, and others?
I bet you anything if any of those people used a digital recording device while searching for the information I told them to lok up, like the titile names of the articles that have my refrences, you would find them easy. Though I know none of you would record your search because that would show you lied about not being able to find my refrences.
Edited by Black Knight LeaderOh good a personal attack. Well you have picked the wrong horses, two actully. The bad refrence VanorDM posted is discounted pretty much by Jennifer Heddles later post on twitter and other SW writters like James Luceno. You can find a list of everything she posted by searching her name eith the words canon, or do you have a problem with using search engines like Vigil, Osprey, and others?
I have searched and searched, and found NOTHING to back any claims you have made. Please, give me a link. I would love to believe you, but you aren't helping your case, by claiming something that is contradicted in every source anyone else finds, and refusing to provide your sources.
I also didn't intend to come off as a personal attack, and I'm sorry if it came out that way.
I think Chee is the only guy who ever used the term secondary canon specifically, and he hadn't done that since Disney shot down the EU in general. But he defined in a way that Heddle has never defined anything. I spend quite a bit of time poking the bear on science denier websites and my google skills are pretty solid, especially where quotes and and specific claims are concerned. I can't find anything to support what BKL is claiming.
I can't find anything to support what BKL is claiming.
No one has so far, and I expect no one will. Because there is nothing that supports what he's saying.
But his ability to twist things to suit his opinions is legendary, so even if he were to provide links, they wouldn't actually support his opinions without having to twist and interpret things. Oh and I did look again, and I once again found nothing to support anything BKL says. Neither has anyone else.
So clearly he either has no sources or else knows his sources won't actually support his statements, so either way he's being intentionally deceptive. Because no rational person is going to refuse to provide evidence to support their side if they actually have them.
So BKL, if Jennifer Heddles did contradict what I linked, then please by all means provide us a link. Oh and btw, the tweet I posted, was from Jennifer Heddle. So if what you claim is true, then she contradicted herself.
Also James Luceno may be an author, but he is not part of the LFL story team, so he doesn't even have the authority to say what is or isn't canon.
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I have searched and searched, and found NOTHING to back any claims you have made. Please, give me a link. I would love to believe you, but you aren't helping your case, by claiming something that is contradicted in every source anyone else finds, and refusing to provide your sources.
I also didn't intend to come off as a personal attack, and I'm sorry if it came out that way.
I told you the name the articles. Look them up. Your post is an attack. You are being deceptive so as too look like you are not hostile to any moderators I may report to about hostile attacks made by people like you.
I bet you anything if any of those people used a digital recording device while searching for the information I told them to lok up, like the titile names of the articles that have my refrences, you would find them easy. Though I know none of you would record your search because that would show you lied about not being able to find my refrences.
I posted this again. Your claims that you cant find my references despite giving you the names of them epically fail because you have no prof of not being able to find them. If you recorded your search with a digital recorder or even a camera and made a video of it it would show in the first result the webpages that are named the same name as my references.
No one will because it will show they are lying about not finding the webpage I referenced. No matter what you say not one of you making false claims about not finding the webpages I am talking about will ever record yourselves doing a search using the names I have given for the articles I used as a reference because that will show you lied.
I have searched and searched, and found NOTHING to back any claims you have made. Please, give me a link. I would love to believe you, but you aren't helping your case, by claiming something that is contradicted in every source anyone else finds, and refusing to provide your sources.
I also didn't intend to come off as a personal attack, and I'm sorry if it came out that way.
I told you the name the articles. Look them up. Your post is an attack. You are being deceptive so as too look like you are not hostile to any moderators I may report to about hostile attacks made by people like you.
I did, and I found nothing to back your claims.
I truly am sorry if you took my post as an attack because I did not intend it to be. I'm not trying to be deceptive at all.
If commenting on someone's refusing to listen to another's opinion, while not providing any evidence theirs is correct is considered a personal attack, then maybe I did, but never intentionally.
EDIT: and here's my search for your first link:
nothing there, but I did find this for your 4th search:
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed is no longer canon and Star Wars: Tarkin contradicts it
“We’re going to lead up to A New Hope in a way that may contradict some of the stories that have been told, mostly in The Force Unleashed and books that came out around that videogame.”
“I chose not to really reference too much EU material only because of the setting of the story, but it was still there. It was still there to pick and choose from. I think going forward what may happen is you may see writers writing around some of that older material that’s now classified as Legends – writing around it rather than trying to overwrite it.”
He just outright stated SWFU is no longer canon, and said that while authors might try to write around rather then overwrite the EU, it isn't actually canon.
Edited by YwingAceIf commenting on someone's refusing to listen to another's opinion, while not providing any evidence theirs is correct is considered a personal attack, then maybe I did, but never intentionally.
Anytime you question BKL's statements about canon and ask for a source you're guilty of a personal attack according to him.
He just outright stated SWFU is no longer canon, and said that while authors might try to write around rather then overwrite the EU, it isn't actually canon.
Lets face it, that was always the stance George took anyway. So at best EU was never more then secondary canon, which is quite honestly a bit of a oxymoron.
The statement by Disney is quite clear. The EU is not canon (again it never really was) and the movies, and TV shows have no requirement to maintain the events in those stories. They are official allowed to overwrite the events that occurred in the EU if they so chose. Which again, is how it always worked with GL.
They are also free and perhaps even encouraged to use background info from the EU in their stories, so things like companies, or even planets that were created for the EU can and likely will make their way into the canon. Which again is how it always worked. George did after all take the name Coruscant from the EU and made it canon by including it in the movie.
The simple fact that some people like BKL seem to either forget, or never understood is very little actually changed. George never considered the EU canon, and the only real canon was the movies and TV shows. The EU was only canon onto itself, and even then didn't do a great job of that.
If anything the canon is perhaps more fan friendly since now everything is canon, instead of just the movies and shows.
Honestly, his view based on an Aliens discussion shows that his view of canon is very, very different than the real meaning.
Or in other words... "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think."
I followed the link YWing there posted, one of them lead to a different form in which he is making the same claims as here, and the people there are basically saying the same thing as here.
Calling him out on his lack of actual evidence and pointing out that the links he is providing don't actually say what he thinks they do.
In the Rebels thread for example he said that the twitter I linked to was contradicted by someone else, apparently not realizing that the person he said contradicted it, was the same person who made the original tweet...
Yet he still has to provide a link to the supposed contradiction.
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I have searched and searched, and found NOTHING to back any claims you have made. Please, give me a link. I would love to believe you, but you aren't helping your case, by claiming something that is contradicted in every source anyone else finds, and refusing to provide your sources.
I also didn't intend to come off as a personal attack, and I'm sorry if it came out that way.
I told you the name the articles. Look them up. Your post is an attack. You are being deceptive so as too look like you are not hostile to any moderators I may report to about hostile attacks made by people like you.
I did, and I found nothing to back your claims.
I truly am sorry if you took my post as an attack because I did not intend it to be. I'm not trying to be deceptive at all.
If commenting on someone's refusing to listen to another's opinion, while not providing any evidence theirs is correct is considered a personal attack, then maybe I did, but never intentionally.
EDIT: and here's my search for your first link:
nothing there, but I did find this for your 4th search:
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed is no longer canon and Star Wars: Tarkin contradicts it
“We’re going to lead up to A New Hope in a way that may contradict some of the stories that have been told, mostly in The Force Unleashed and books that came out around that videogame.”
“I chose not to really reference too much EU material only because of the setting of the story, but it was still there. It was still there to pick and choose from. I think going forward what may happen is you may see writers writing around some of that older material that’s now classified as Legends – writing around it rather than trying to overwrite it.”
He just outright stated SWFU is no longer canon, and said that while authors might try to write around rather then overwrite the EU, it isn't actually canon.
Your posts are personal attacks, you just admitted you knew that what I told you to search lead to references while before hand you and others have said that it leads nowhere.
Also I warned you not to read the interviewers comments about canon and to only read the SW story writers comments about canon. Your quote above is from the interviewer. Speaking of which if you were going to follow the interviewers words he says everything else is still canon... You neglected to mention that which just shows your making personal attacks. 3rd reason its fairly obvious that your posts are a personal attack, if you red my references on a different website, which you posted a link that would lead to it, you would know it is physically impossible for me to post links, you have chosen to ignore that, or that I have said that many times in the past.
Now back to what the writer of Tarkin says OR doesn't say. "He never says SWTFU is non-canon." As other SW writers have said "its the fine details that may become non-canon."
Honestly, his view based on an Aliens discussion shows that his view of canon is very, very different than the real meaning.
No actually I am following exactly what Brandywine and Fox have posted many times about canon for the Alien/Predator/Prometheus/AvP universe as well as how canon works in that universe. Its in their frigging movie collections.
Your posts are personal attacks, you just admitted you knew that what I told you to search lead to references while before hand you and others have said that it leads nowhere.
Now back to what the writer of Tarkin says OR doesn't say. "He never says SWTFU is non-canon." As other SW writers have said "its the fine details that may become non-canon."
“We’re going to lead up to A New Hope in a way that may contradict some of the stories that have been told, mostly in The Force Unleashed and books that came out around that videogame.”
He just said that stuff will contradict TFU.
Anyone know what other books were set in the start of Rebels to A New Hope era that came out around The Force Unleashed games? Only things I recall off the top of my head that might be in that era are some of Millennium Falcon's flashbacks but I think its latest flashback ended before Rebels began plus Shadow Games and Death Troopers neither of which seem particularly likely to clash with Rebels.
The various Han Solo books. Which, with the new movie coming, are surely gone.
Now I'm just getting confused by you.
Well that's a natural reaction to talking to someone who only thinks they know what they're talking about. You'd get the same result if you were discussing WWII with someone who believed the Goa'uld were behind it.
He just said that stuff will contradict TFU.
I wonder if part of his well to be honest near delusions about the EU staying canon have anything to do with a statement made about the "fine details" as if the main plot line will remain intact, but only a few dates, places and names may change.
That is of course not true. It's not the the fine details that are being overwritten, it's the main plot line that's being removed by and large.
For example, Palpatine is dead and isn't coming back. So any EU story that has him as the villain is beyond saving, you can't just remove the antagonist of a story and somehow 'write around it'
No, I just said (and infact linked my search), that that most of those links don't go anywhere. Now I'm just getting confused by you.Your posts are personal attacks, you just admitted you knew that what I told you to search lead to references while before hand you and others have said that it leads nowhere.
Now back to what the writer of Tarkin says OR doesn't say. "He never says SWTFU is non-canon." As other SW writers have said "its the fine details that may become non-canon."
“We’re going to lead up to A New Hope in a way that may contradict some of the stories that have been told, mostly in The Force Unleashed and books that came out around that videogame.”
He just said that stuff will contradict TFU.
Your link shows your a liar. It shows clear as day two places that have my sources, one of which has links in it made by people that were able to make links for me, I am pretty lucky they did since most the people in the blog are invested in different franchise to beat other franchise, they love the idea that if SW tech books couldn't be used, by falsely claiming they are not canon, SW appears to now be the weakest fictional universe ever and can be easily be beaten in a fight by Mass effect and even Firefly or *** Weird Science.
It really doesn't matter if some Parts of SWTFU are contradicted in Tarkin that doesn't make a whole *** story non-canon. And you know what, from what I have seen nothing really contradicted Force Unleashed anyway. BTW the author said "that MAY contradict." NOT "WILL CONTRADICT", NOT "MAKE SWTFU NON-CANON," NOT "MAKE LEGENDS NON-CANON."
Oh yeah, I can't help but notice you left out that part again were the interviewer says that the "EU is canon for now." Since your so insistent your going to follow what the interviewer is saying and not just follow what the SW writer/s are saying, it would be strange to 'not' bring that up or acknowledged that or anything any of the SW writers themselves have said about canon, oh wait yeah I can explain but it should go without saying. You sleep with dogs you get the flees and you have lots of flees Y-Wing.
Anyone know what other books were set in the start of Rebels to A New Hope era that came out around The Force Unleashed games? Only things I recall off the top of my head that might be in that era are some of Millennium Falcon's flashbacks but I think its latest flashback ended before Rebels began plus Shadow Games and Death Troopers neither of which seem particularly likely to clash with Rebels.
Not many did come out around the time of The Force Unleashed. One of its gimicks was that the story took place during a time that most SW stories, if not all, were not being written.
For example, Palpatine is dead and isn't coming back. So any EU story that has him as the villain is beyond saving, you can't just remove the antagonist of a story and somehow 'write around it'
Not with THAT attitude, anyway...
For example, Palpatine is dead and isn't coming back. So any EU story that has him as the villain is beyond saving, you can't just remove the antagonist of a story and somehow 'write around it'
Not with THAT attitude, anyway...
Ok there was only one story with Palpatine as the villain after Return of the Jedi and that was clone of Palpatine claiming that he had the spirit of the original. Even if the spirit transfer thing is impossible he cold have just been a clone of Palpatine suffering a delusion that he had the spirit of the original..
Edited by RogueCoronaEven if the spirit transfer thing is impossible he cold have just been a clone of Palpatine suffering a delusion that he had the spirit of the original..
No clones either. Ian McDiarmid made that clear in an interview. Point is, regardless of how many stories he showed up in. There's no way to simply 'write around' the bad guy of a book not actually being there.
The larger point is this...
BKL seems to believe the EU will somehow survive, and only the 'fine details' will be made non-canon. But based on what little we already know of the post Endor canon this does not seem likely.
Palpatine does not live, Chewie does, and it seems likely that there will not be a Grand Admiral Thrawn in aftermath. Not that I know anything for sure about that book but it does seem from what little we know that it won't happen like it did in the Heir to the Empire series.
Edited by VanorDMYou have no idea how much I want Rey to be Luke's daughter just to blow up continuity.
Even if the spirit transfer thing is impossible he cold have just been a clone of Palpatine suffering a delusion that he had the spirit of the original..
No clones either. Ian McDiarmid made that clear in an interview. Point is, regardless of how many stories he showed up in. There's no way to simply 'write around' the bad guy of a book not actually being there.
The larger point is this...
BKL seems to believe the EU will somehow survive, and only the 'fine details' will be made non-canon. But based on what little we already know of the post Endor canon this does not seem likely.
Palpatine does not live, Chewie does, and it seems likely that there will not be a Grand Admiral Thrawn in aftermath. Not that I know anything for sure about that book but it does seem from what little we know that it won't happen like it did in the Heir to the Empire series.
The only EU/Legends plot lines I remember dealing with or even mentioning the events of Dark Empire were ones set in the immediate aftermath for the most par it was ignored by the overall EU/Legends continuity and TFA is set more then 20 years after Dark Empire was.
Even if the spirit transfer thing is impossible he cold have just been a clone of Palpatine suffering a delusion that he had the spirit of the original..
No clones either. Ian McDiarmid made that clear in an interview. Point is, regardless of how many stories he showed up in. There's no way to simply 'write around' the bad guy of a book not actually being there.
The larger point is this...
BKL seems to believe the EU will somehow survive, and only the 'fine details' will be made non-canon. But based on what little we already know of the post Endor canon this does not seem likely.
Palpatine does not live, Chewie does, and it seems likely that there will not be a Grand Admiral Thrawn in aftermath. Not that I know anything for sure about that book but it does seem from what little we know that it won't happen like it did in the Heir to the Empire series.
The only EU/Legends plot lines I remember dealing with or even mentioning the events of Dark Empire were ones set in the immediate aftermath for the most par it was ignored by the overall EU/Legends continuity and TFA is set more then 20 years after Dark Empire was.
I am happy you quoted that Rogue. The "interview" mentioned in quote with Ian McDiarmid is being taken out of context because he is talking about an Emperor Palpatine clone not being in SW ep 7, which as you know Rogue has nothing to do with the Emperors appearance in Dark Empire. Just so you know Rogue Dark Empire was referenced in the Tarkin novel.
Dunno if anyone read my post... But I decided I'd just remove it, and try to remember why it's a bad idea to click on the "View it anyway?" link.
Edited by VanorDMNo, I just said (and infact linked my search), that that most of those links don't go anywhere. Now I'm just getting confused by you.Your posts are personal attacks, you just admitted you knew that what I told you to search lead to references while before hand you and others have said that it leads nowhere.
Now back to what the writer of Tarkin says OR doesn't say. "He never says SWTFU is non-canon." As other SW writers have said "its the fine details that may become non-canon."
“We’re going to lead up to A New Hope in a way that may contradict some of the stories that have been told, mostly in The Force Unleashed and books that came out around that videogame.”
He just said that stuff will contradict TFU.
Your link shows your a liar. It shows clear as day two places that have my sources, one of which has links in it made by people that were able to make links for me, I am pretty lucky they did since most the people in the blog are invested in different franchise to beat other franchise, they love the idea that if SW tech books couldn't be used, by falsely claiming they are not canon, SW appears to now be the weakest fictional universe ever and can be easily be beaten in a fight by Mass effect and even Firefly or *** Weird Science.
It really doesn't matter if some Parts of SWTFU are contradicted in Tarkin that doesn't make a whole *** story non-canon. And you know what, from what I have seen nothing really contradicted Force Unleashed anyway. BTW the author said "that MAY contradict." NOT "WILL CONTRADICT", NOT "MAKE SWTFU NON-CANON," NOT "MAKE LEGENDS NON-CANON."
Oh yeah, I can't help but notice you left out that part again were the interviewer says that the "EU is canon for now." Since your so insistent your going to follow what the interviewer is saying and not just follow what the SW writer/s are saying, it would be strange to 'not' bring that up or acknowledged that or anything any of the SW writers themselves have said about canon, oh wait yeah I can explain but it should go without saying. You sleep with dogs you get the flees and you have lots of flees Y-Wing.
Look BKL, I would LOVE to believe the EU is canon, but IT ISN'T. The Star Wars story team (I forget what they're called) has said anything made before a certain date (with the exception of the movies and TWC) is no longer canon. The opinion of a former writer for the EU isn't official. I just looked at that search again and only found outdated information.
Look at Starwars.com, it has a databank of everything that's canon, and I don't see anything from the EU on it. If you want to continue believing the opinions of SW writers are more accurate then the FRIGGEN TEAM THAT MAKES SW , then be my guest.
FYI, I have cats, and don't complain about alleged personal attacks (which I never intended and I again apologize if you took something that I said as a personal attack), when you're dealing them right back.
I'm done.
Dunno if anyone read my post... But I decided I'd just remove it, and try to remember why it's a bad idea to click on the "View it anyway?" link.
Of course, quoting doesn't help.
Also, wow. Just wow.