I've never actually seen anyone who complains about turrets do so with some belligerent hyperbolic rant, usually they just state reasonable opinions about problems with the game. Not sure why threads like this get made.

You've never read a ParaGoomba Slayer post about turrets then, have you. Mention the words Super Dash and you get some fireworks.

Belligerent, yes.

Hyperbolic, yes.

Reasonable opinions about problems with the game, yes. I was right about the Phantom pre-nerf when I relentlessly complained about it, and I suspect if/when the nuanceless Turretwing build stuff gets nerfed everyone will silently agree with me then. 55% (I'm pretty sure that was the number, not sure) of regionals being won by fat turrets now and this isn't a problem for some people?

I said pre phantom nerf the rise of the fat turret would of happened anyway it was a perfect storm of upgrades.

I said post nerf the meta wouldn't change and it hasn't.

Denying that large based pwt comes with a clear advantage is absurd, I don't see the bombers being the answer.

Eventually ffg will face facts and apply a change to PWT's, turrets have a place in x-wing but the focus should be the fighters not the big ships.

Well, it must be (insert any day of the week here). Played out arguments are played out. Maybe at this point the haters should find a game that better suits what they want in a fantasy space ship game.

Telling me to find a different game because I care enough about this one to accept that it is flawed. LOL

Actually I didn't tell you anything. I said that this Turret whine drivel (of which your post is a part of) is REDUNDANT and POINTLESS, and if someone doesn't like the mechanics of this game then perhaps a different game would suit them better.

If that was still to tough to understand then howbout L2P noob?

Oh boy, we actually got a l2play noob. There really is nothingbl that inspires more confidence than the same garbage you'd hear in a call of duty match. We must call for some sort of celebration. Perhaps we can immortalize today as "dropping standards day"

The argument "if you don't like it, leave" pertaining to dissatisfaction of a mere 2 ships (disportionally prevelent, but still only two out of quite a few ships) goes over about as well as "if you don't like hearing people posting their opinions, why not just never use the internet again?"

That bit petulent bull aside, I think CM will do quite A bit with the new AC advance and redline. Dice are the only way (apart from guaranteed defensive tech and space peanuts) and CM bring a LOT of dice. Conner net also brings some hope in that it could well limit PWT manueverability in that they won't be able to safely end their movement in "range" of a bomber and near an obstacle (esp the deadliest obstacle; the table edge). At the very least, itll get soonts/corran out of the way faster so we can grind down the fat bastard. And lest we forget, TLT looks quite mean

Im all for believing in ffg and remaining optimistic despite a single poorly implemented advantage. Thrusters were a step in the right direction and Aramada is a god **** haven from PWTs and green dice. I'm certain they'll keep providing.

Well, it must be (insert any day of the week here). Played out arguments are played out. Maybe at this point the haters should find a game that better suits what they want in a fantasy space ship game.

Telling me to find a different game because I care enough about this one to accept that it is flawed. LOL

howbout L2P noob?

Been waitin for this. Now this thread is complete.

Well, it must be (insert any day of the week here). Played out arguments are played out. Maybe at this point the haters should find a game that better suits what they want in a fantasy space ship game.

Telling me to find a different game because I care enough about this one to accept that it is flawed. LOL

howbout L2P noob?

Been waitin for this. Now this thread is complete.

Every pro turret guy just cringed knowing he's on their side of the argument.

The only intent of such a topic is to generate a flamewar.

You are going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view

Regarding Fat Han: (fill in whatever). Or, on the other hand, yada yada yada.

Don't you guys think that this topic has been bandied about for so long that even used to bait a response it's getting old? Even the guys responding to the bait aren't saying anything new. This is worse than Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.

Fat Turrets are not overpowered. They can be an advantage in a timed environment when MOV matters. Other than that, they're just an expensive ship that can die just like any other.

Jacob

I agree with this statement.

Fat Turrets are NOT overpowered. One single 3 (or 4 at range one/with Dash) dice 360 attack for 50+ points is not overpowered in any way, shape or form.

What they are, however, is forgiving. The 360 turret gives you so much freedom when choosing moves on your dial - you don't have to worry so much about getting an enemy ship in arc as you do about dodging theirs. And even if you can't manage to dodge your opponents arc (with a strong, fast dial and likely Engine Upgrade or Barrel Roll on Dash on top), you have a lot of hull to chew through and a couple of ways of mitigating damage.

Fat Turrets are not taken because they're overpowered. You can do a LOT more damage per turn with an equivalent number of points of small base ships than you can with a Fat Turret. Fat Turrets are taken because they're forgiving. Because they're less risky. Because in a competitive environment, you don't want to be one-shotted and you don't want to find yourself without a shot.

They're taken because they're a crutch.

That doesn't make them overpowered, it just makes them easy to use.

Stop making sense. We don't take kindly to that 'round here.

The only intent of such a topic is to generate a flamewar.

why are you quoting yourself

Regarding Fat Han: (fill in whatever). Or, on the other hand, yada yada yada.

Don't you guys think that this topic has been bandied about for so long that even used to bait a response it's getting old? Even the guys responding to the bait aren't saying anything new. This is worse than Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.

Do large turrets still dominate a large portion of the meta?

If so then this topics going no where because some of us bought x-wing a game about dogfighting not millennium falcon a game about turrets shooting down fighters.

It's a fad.

It clearly isn't it's been here a year now since wave four dropped all we've seen is turrets, they said it was just to counter phantoms which I called BS on, so ffg tone down the phantom and the turrets stayed, the fact is turrets are outright better than taking multiple fighters and that's clearly not the intent of the game just look at the forum subtitle:

X-Wing

Take control of powerful Rebel X-wings and nimble Imperial TIE fighters!

Where does it mention PWT? If the intent were for everyone to use the falcon why does the starter come with snubfighters?

Ffg need to just admit that they goofed with big PWT ships and do for them what they did the phantom.

Stop playing. You clearly don't like the game and don't think it's going to change. Nobody likes complainers, and there's a lot of it on this forum.

Stop playing. You clearly don't like the game and don't think it's going to change. Nobody likes complainers, and there's a lot of it on this forum.

Ugh. People talking about something I don't want to talk about. What a drag. Let me come here to complain.

Stop playing. You clearly don't like the game and don't think it's going to change. Nobody likes complainers, and there's a lot of it on this forum.

"I have no valid argument so here have some snark" I'll take this as you waving the white flag.

Stop playing. You clearly don't like the game and don't think it's going to change. Nobody likes complainers, and there's a lot of it on this forum.

Literally who are you?

Regarding Fat Han: (fill in whatever). Or, on the other hand, yada yada yada.

Don't you guys think that this topic has been bandied about for so long that even used to bait a response it's getting old? Even the guys responding to the bait aren't saying anything new. This is worse than Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.

Do large turrets still dominate a large portion of the meta?

If so then this topics going no where because some of us bought x-wing a game about dogfighting not millennium falcon a game about turrets shooting down fighters.

PWTs might still have 50+ percent of wins but I'd like to see what happens at Worlds in November. I think if you track the wins over the last 2 years the win-loss ratio of PWTs is starting to drop. Players have found more effective ways in dealing with tge MF and Outrider. Things have a cyclic life span. Weve seen the rise of PWTs where they were almost invincible drop to the point where they're just a PITA to kill. They'll never disappear but their dominance is starting to wane. Not fast enough for some players but it's fading. By this time next year we'll all be complaining about another type of unbeatable build.

I'm gonna be the glass half-full guy.

70% of the points spent in Regional elimination rounds were non-turreted ships. What are we going to do about our non-turreted overlords?

Fatties needs dancing partners (escorts) and they also count towards those 70%, so meh to those statistics.

If anything, it should indicate that players prefer a dogfighting game to a pancake race.

I'm gonna be the glass half-full guy.

70% of the points spent in Regional elimination rounds were non-turreted ships. What are we going to do about our non-turreted overlords?

give them autothrusters

Fatties needs dancing partners (escorts) and they also count towards those 70%, so meh to those statistics.

If anything, it should indicate that players prefer a dogfighting game to a pancake race.

Exactly they want to engage in the delicate dance of death not have the same breakfast over and over and over...

Turrets have a place in the game but it should be on par with other choices.

When I glanced at the title the first time (and I guess this says more about me than is polite to share, I read, "FERRETS ARE EVIL (AND UNSTOPPABLE!)".

I saw my error immediately, but by then the imagery of an unstoppable cadre of evil ferret was already in my head. I pictured one of them with a viciously scarred face, a leather eye patch, and real sour halitosis.

When I realized it was actually Turrets that were being described as evil, I pictured the ferrets firing the turrets.