Cmon why did you make this thread. You're better than that.

Just an FYI I'm going to flag this for removal.

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The only intent of such a topic is to generate a flamewar.

The only intent of such a topic is to generate a flamewar.

You say that like its a bad thing, just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show m8

Thread title nails it

Cmon why did you make this thread. You're better than that.

Just an FYI I'm going to flag this for removal.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

It's just... irritating. To see people complain about the same things over and over and over again.

Cmon why did you make this thread. You're better than that.

Just an FYI I'm going to flag this for removal.

I clicked expecting humor, all I got was salty counter-trolling (ie. Trolling).

I daresay the OP... lacked wit.

I know, I know. /groan

I'll see your groan inducing pun and raise you a fat joke.

Your turret is so fat, Obi-Wan said "That's no moon"

How hard would it be to realistically give players half points on semi-destroyed ships? half the points with upgrades, rounded up, if you give a ship half its (shield+hull) equivalent damage, rounded up .

60 point Fat han? You can get 30 points for knocking him off to 6HP. You still have incentive to shoot him, but perhaps doing a first pass at him then finishing off the escort as he flies away becomes a good plan.

They could also strictly limit this to large ships, dunno.

Cmon why did you make this thread. You're better than that.

Just an FYI I'm going to flag this for removal.

FEAR THE INTERNET SAFETY PATROL - HE WANTS YOU TO KNOW YOU'VE BEEN REPORTED

He's used to it I think he views the frequent bans like vacations.

...I daresay the OP... lacked wit

I may not agree with most of the turret hate, but this thread makes me really, really want to.

Well, it must be (insert any day of the week here). Played out arguments are played out. Maybe at this point the haters should find a game that better suits what they want in a fantasy space ship game.

I don't think many people are saying that. What many people are saying is that Fat Turrets are overpowered (hint: =/= unstoppable) which is pretty clearly true...

By what standard? Pretty clearly true isn't obvious to everyone, and I %100 disagree that they're overpowered. Powerful? Yes. Overpowered? No. If they can be beaten, and beaten regularly (obviously true) than I'd say that there's some evidence to make that not clearly true.

Jacob

umm. That doesn't follow logically. Anything can be beaten. This game is highly dependent on player skill and luck.

I bought my fiance a turret list to play at home. I haven't won a single match since.

I don't think many people are saying that. What many people are saying is that Fat Turrets are overpowered (hint: =/= unstoppable) which is pretty clearly true...

By what standard? Pretty clearly true isn't obvious to everyone, and I %100 disagree that they're overpowered. Powerful? Yes. Overpowered? No. If they can be beaten, and beaten regularly (obviously true) than I'd say that there's some evidence to make that not clearly true.

Jacob

umm. That doesn't follow logically. Anything can be beaten. This game is highly dependent on player skill and luck.

Beaten and beaten regularly. You're right that anything can be beaten. The fact that they're beaten often by a variety of tactics and ships is evidence that points to them being not overpowered.

What evidence would you use that is universally obvious to everyone to make the statement that "Fat Turrets are overpowered... which is pretty clear"? I get that you believe that, but purporting something like that is having a toxic effect on the forum and only feeds the (what seems to be largely North American) Meta of 2 ships with Fat turrets.

If we (as a collective community) want Fat Turrets to stop dominating any particular local meta, we need to stop speaking of them as if 'they're this unstoppable force that is overpowered and broken and makes this game no fun and ruins my experience.' If we stop speaking/typing it, we might see that the situation reverses.

Fat Turrets are not overpowered. They can be an advantage in a timed environment when MOV matters. Other than that, they're just an expensive ship that can die just like any other.

Jacob

Fat Turrets are not overpowered. They can be an advantage in a timed environment when MOV matters. Other than that, they're just an expensive ship that can die just like any other.

Jacob

I agree with this statement.

Fat Turrets are NOT overpowered. One single 3 (or 4 at range one/with Dash) dice 360 attack for 50+ points is not overpowered in any way, shape or form.

What they are, however, is forgiving. The 360 turret gives you so much freedom when choosing moves on your dial - you don't have to worry so much about getting an enemy ship in arc as you do about dodging theirs. And even if you can't manage to dodge your opponents arc (with a strong, fast dial and likely Engine Upgrade or Barrel Roll on Dash on top), you have a lot of hull to chew through and a couple of ways of mitigating damage.

Fat Turrets are not taken because they're overpowered. You can do a LOT more damage per turn with an equivalent number of points of small base ships than you can with a Fat Turret. Fat Turrets are taken because they're forgiving. Because they're less risky. Because in a competitive environment, you don't want to be one-shotted and you don't want to find yourself without a shot.

They're taken because they're a crutch.

That doesn't make them overpowered, it just makes them easy to use.

The entire basis of this game is maneuvering and positioning. Thus something that doesn't require much thought to be put into that (not zero thought, but much less), is very powerful. I'm not sure where you get this idea that overpowered can only mean "most attack dice." They are overpowered in that they bypass the most skill-intensive part of the game, to a large degree. And Dash and Han have a pretty easy time soaking up or avoiding damage, while getting a 360 attack with high power.

Cmon why did you make this thread. You're better than that.

Just an FYI I'm going to flag this for removal.

You see, you click, if you don't like then you move on.

Pretty simple logic.

Some of us enjoy reading though troll trash, don't ruin it for the rest of us.

There are plenty more threads to read through and comment on...

I bought my fiance a turret list to play at home. I haven't won a single match since.

ah but you get to play so it's a win for you

Well, it must be (insert any day of the week here). Played out arguments are played out. Maybe at this point the haters should find a game that better suits what they want in a fantasy space ship game.

Telling me to find a different game because I care enough about this one to accept that it is flawed. LOL

re: fiancé If you absolutely can't win against Chiry or the Falcon, work on your asteroid placement. Against Dash, ionization is usually the key, even though that is very difficult to get repeatedly on a large ship.

Conner nets can't get here soon enough

"You see, honey, after you encounter it, you'll be forced to move in a very specific way and you won't be able to do the things you want to do. More than likely, you'll end up somewhere you didn't want to go. You know, just like marriage !"

(Don't tell her that joke )

I bought my fiance a turret list to play at home. I haven't won a single match since.

ah but you get to play so it's a win for you

That's how I'm treating the situation.

I've never actually seen anyone who complains about turrets do so with some belligerent hyperbolic rant, usually they just state reasonable opinions about problems with the game. Not sure why threads like this get made.

I've never actually seen anyone who complains about turrets do so with some belligerent hyperbolic rant, usually they just state reasonable opinions about problems with the game. Not sure why threads like this get made.

You've never read a ParaGoomba Slayer post about turrets then, have you. Mention the words Super Dash and you get some fireworks.

Cmon why did you make this thread. You're better than that.

Just an FYI I'm going to flag this for removal.

You see, you click, if you don't like then you move on.

Pretty simple logic.

Some of us enjoy reading though troll trash, don't ruin it for the rest of us.

There are plenty more threads to read through and comment on...

This guy gets it. Sometimes it's just fun to make s**tpost threads.

I mean come on who's going to get banned for a silly thread.