I'm curious if anyone's found a way to make things like the Tie Swarm viable against turrets again. Some will always say that this is a good match-up for the swarm player, but I don't think so anymore. Adjusting your flying so you end up leading the target helps a little for some early shots, but not enough to get ahead. With the reduction in blocking effectiveness with things like Predator and the prevalence of Chewie, who ignores crits, the damage mitigation just slows them down too much so that you have to be really lucky with your rolls to kill a YT before losing enough ships that he becomes practically invincible. It definitely makes me sad that he can just be absolutely invulnerable to a Tie Fighter.

I was briefly really excited to try Intimidation on some BSPs in a more elite 6-Tie Swarm, but in my few attempts it was way too easy for the Falcon to get out of the way. Outmaneuver could also work, but feels too expensive for a ship that is quite possibly going to go down in a single shot. Any outside the box solutions?

I love autothrusters. Its saved my behind so many times. On a 3 agility ship its awesome. Vader's Tie Advanced is going to be seeing lots of play very soon. id personally team him up with Kath Scarlet or Boba because i dont like decimators. Iv heard 4 tie-advaced+accuracy corrector with Dark Curse is also going to be good in the new meta. Time will tell.

Whinefests like this no matter how eloquently you coat them with words are still just complaining.

Fat ships on the timed 60 minute tournament is your real issue or MOV. 60 minutes really shouldn't t be allowed in tourney play. I would keep the MOV system but allow 75 minutes. This would balance out the MOV of fat ships.

But Turrets are here to stay period though so shut up or get out really if you cant/wont deal with them.

Armada is fun I know OP is into it as there are many posts from him on that forum. I have all of Armada including wave 1 and am looking forward to wave 2. You should consider staying in Armada since X-wing is obviously not changing to suit your demands.

OP isn't the only whiner here there are about 6 of you that endlessly ***** about turrets. Deal with it or get out. Honestly Armada is a fun game check it out, it may be better suited for you.

PenguineBonaparte - I use swarms on regular basis to neutralize fat ships. Effective and fun. Of course there is a bit of rock paper scissors in this game so ships like phantoms can chew up swarms like nothing to it.

Check out D&D attack wing as well if you want to ditch the dreaded 360 turret FickleGreendice and Co.

I have all of D&D attack wing including the OP prizes and its very fun. Amazingly they haven't jacked it up yet like Star Trek attack wing. There is no action denial in D&D attack wing but no 360 primary attacks either.

Fun game check it out as well it might be for you if you like fantasy as well as sci-fi opera.

toyko, if you can't be assed to read the OP, may I suggest just not posting? Your 2nd post is fine, the 1st is just unnecessarily confrontational and, ultimately, completely irrelevant to the intentions of this thread.

we have enough baseless posts misinterpreting this as a QQ thread already, we really don't need more

Ficklegreendice, you've defended and red planned yourself many times in this thread, and accused others of misunderstand your original post. Is it really all of them or only you?

Edit: phone auto correct; "red planned" should be "reexplained".

Ficklegreendice, you've defended and red planned yourself many times in this thread, and accused others of misunderstand your original post. Is it really all of them or only you?

no it's really them, especially considering that quite a few other posters were able to recognize the intent and contribute constructively

I devoted a decent chunck of time to creating a post doing not but suggesting builds and tech that counter the negative feelings I have for turrets, which is the exact opposite of a QQ thread

all I ask in return, is that you either ignore it and move on with your lives or devote a fraction of the time I spent just reading what I wrote instead of condemning it for whining

considering that reading posts is a good part of what one does on a forum, this should not be an unreasonable request

please and thank you

Ficklegreendice, you've defended and red planned yourself many times in this thread, and accused others of misunderstand your original post. Is it really all of them or only you?

It's all of them not reading and just going straight to posting on an assumption.

I like turrets, even though I normally don't play with them. I disagree that they are unbalanced and rather think it is a problem for tournament only, where you have a time limit set.

One thing is to think "oh no, another anti-turret post", maybe skim the OP and just blurt out anything that comes to mind. Another is actually take some time to read through and actually understand the intent.

By the way, "all of them reading and posting on an assumption" means, quite literally, the people who fit into the first phrase of my sentence above. I would wager that there are so many more who fall into the second.

PenguineBonaparte - I use swarms on regular basis to neutralize fat ships. Effective and fun. Of course there is a bit of rock paper scissors in this game so ships like phantoms can chew up swarms like nothing to it.

Oddly enough I've seemed to do ok against phantoms and such with swarms, usually able to block things and cause problems, but it's just the extreme damage mitigation of 1300s, esp. Chewie, that just always ruins me.

An example of QQing:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/180829-just-had-my-first-game-against-against-a-falcon-with-title-3po-and-r2d2/

This post is not QQing.

As a person that is not necessarily a "defender" of turrets, but just can't stand the incessant whining over how they are overpowered, this is nothing compared to the other stuff I've seen. It can be assumed to be due to his stance, but he's at least offering solutions to it rather than claiming they're unbeatable.

swarms perform quite well on a game by game basis, overall. Having Howlrunner especially lets you swiss-cheese fatties pretty reliably

the problem comes in competitive settings where repeated games lead to repeated green dice bull, and all it takes is one loss with your bleeding m.o.v to catapult you way down

so, ito actually winning the game, swarms do great and if that's your cup of tea feel free

for me, I stopped using fighters specifically because I'm sick of some games being decided by freak green dice that cannot be avoided

there is also the issue of Dash being an amazing anti-swarm tech (dem asteroids, dat HLC) so ito winning you'll have trouble there but ito fun I can't think of anything tenser than flying against Dash and trying to get into the green-dice-free haven that is the doughnut hole.

It can be assumed to be due to his stance, but he's at least offering solutions to it rather than claiming they're unbeatable.

The original poster writing to the effect of, "But I didn't actually SAY I hated turrets and think they're OP," is thinly veiled when it's obvious from the context.

This post is not QQing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGes7FDmHAM

It can be assumed to be due to his stance, but he's at least offering solutions to it rather than claiming they're unbeatable.

It's fairly implicit, which is why so many have railed, "Not again. Can we please just have one day off?"

The original poster writing to the effect of, "But I didn't actually SAY I hated turrets and think they're OP," is thinly veiled when it's obvious from the context.

there is nothing implicit about anything. The OP is incredibly explicit about the intent and incredibly explicit about my problems with turrets being unrelated to any supposed imbalanced, and yet I have a "if PWTs are OP how come no ORS huehuehue" bam smack in the middle of one of the pages.

If you want to have "one day off" how about you contribute something constructive instead of wasting everyone's time with this reactionary nonsense?

seriously, we've been getting far too much whining about non-existent whining; not enough contribution to the actual topic of the thread

I don't have a problem with turrets, except for one: I wish there was a way to make a turret vs turret match more interesting. All my X-Wing youtube subscriptions have been so boring lately.

Maybe we can hire people to juggle chainsaws or flaming torches or something and dance around the play area. Then it might be fun to watch.

I don't have a problem with turrets, except for one: I wish there was a way to make a turret vs turret match more interesting. All my X-Wing youtube subscriptions have been so boring lately.

Maybe we can hire people to juggle chainsaws or flaming torches or something and dance around the play area. Then it might be fun to watch.

That's my issue aswell two big turret ships circling each other is hardly gripping.

A: I don't hate chocolate ice cream and don't think it's too popular, but I'm going to share with you reasons and ways to avoid it.

B: Not another chocolate ice cream hater.

A: I clearly stated I didn't hate chocolate ice cream or think it's too popular.

B: ...

A: I don't hate Jar Jar Binks and don't think he's too popular, but I'm going to share with you reasons to avoid him.

B: Not another Jar Jar Binks hater.

A: I clearly stated I didn't hate Jar Jar Binks or think it's too popular.

B: ...

Sounds accurate. Mouy good example.

Don't people get bored of this topic?

Don't people get bored of this topic?

if we got tired of exchanging ideas, tactics and squads, the forums would be a pretty superfluous existence

Part of the hatred towards turrets is that the amount of effort you need to learn how to deal with them effectively is far greater than dealing with any other ship type in the game. Its also much easier to just start a rant on the interwebs or sprinkle irreverant comments than actually bothering to practice against them

my hatred for turrets is a natural extension of my hatred for green dice

mine, specifically

Yes, we are all well aware of your hatred for turrets. you have stated it in nearly every thread. I get it, you don't like turrets. triple action turr phenirr with his arc dodging ridiculousness is ok, but not turrets. Now, if you want to rant about the damage mitigation available to fat han, I'll rant with you on that one.

You do realize that without turrets, PTL interceptors would be overly dominant? I don't know how many times I've been flying an xwing only to have turr or soontir hammer me, then slide out of the way. Seems a little too powerful, at least it would be if there were not ........turrets.

He's not ranting because he said he's not.