Just curious, is there any documentation to back up who chooses the character to kneel first? Is it the player who played the event, the Active player or the First player. I've been poking around in the rulebook and FAQ and can't find anything.

It's the person who played the event.

The question is answered for an old CCG-era card in the "Legacy FAQ" and has always been applied to anything in which players all choose something before all chosen cards are knelt, killed, discarded, etc.

The card is called "Archery Contest" from the Tourney of Swords set if you want to look it up.

ktom said:

Yes but...When choices are made, if there are effects to resolve I guess the usual rule applies (first player chooses the order)...or not?

I don't know...Let's say...Drunken allegation...I reveal it...I choose first but the order in which character are knelt are determined by the first player...

Is this true? ;-)

DB_Cooper said:

No. The choices are made in clockwise order starting with the person who played/controls the effect, but the results are resolved at the same time. So with Drunken Allegations, the person who revealed chooses the opponent, then chooses a character. After that, the chosen opponent choses another character. Then both characters kneel at exactly the same time.

Look at it this way: say that I play "The Price of War" to choose and discard two of your locations. Does the First Player decide the order in which those two locations are discarded? No, because it is a single effect resolving on multiple targets. The targets are chosen during the effect's initiation (Step 1), then discarded during the resolution (Step 3). Since there is only one resolution, it doesn't conflict with itself and there is nothing for the First Player to settle. Same deal with any other single effect (like multiple claim) that affects multiple cards during its resolution. And that doesn't change just because more than one player chooses a target during Step 1.

Remember, the First Player only chooses the order if two different passive effects are trying to resolve at the same time and the order makes a difference. That's not the case with something like Drunken Allegations kneeling two characters, even though they are chosen by two different players..

ktom said:

Thanks!

But another question comes out before I can stop it (great excuse...)...

VALAR MORGHULIS...ALL chars are killed...I REVEAL IT...Do I choose the order in which they're placed in the discard pile?

And a little off topic about passives (just not to open another thread)...

Let's say i reveal VALAR, as above. My oppo reveals BUILDING SEASON and I control GOLDEN TOOTH MINE.

The first player chooses the order in which effects are resolved (there are all passives)...And let's say that I'M the FIRST player...But what I wanted to know is...Can I choose to Draw a card before triggering "When revealed" effects? Or in some way Plots effects take precedence?

Thanks again! ;-)

DB_Cooper said:

No. When multiple cards go into the dead or discard pile at the same time, the owner of the card chooses the order in which they enter said piles. I'm not sure this is actually written down anywhere, but it's a convention that has always been a part of the game.

DB_Cooper said:

That one is addressed in the FAQ:

(2.2) Plot Effect Resolution
[...] The first player
determines the order in which all "when
revealed" plot effects are resolved. "When
revealed" plot effects are essentially self-referential
passive effects that initiate in response
to the revealing of the plot card with the
"when revealed" effect. They are resolved (in
the order determined by the first player) during
step 4 of the action window in which the
plot card was revealed. All "when revealed"
plot effects must resolve before any other passive
effects initiated by the revealing of a plot
card(s) are resolved.

Thanks, Ktom.

I know that sometimes reading is the best choice ;-)

The fact is that even if I started playing this game one year ago, it seems like there are lots of mechanics "hard to master" as someone said. I learned this game in a hour or less...But it's very difficult to take care about all the variants you can meet in game situations.

That's the reason why I asked this stupid question ;-)