Hey guys currently running the below list for my imps, and have been dominating pretty hard with it in the local meta, against rebels, (beating imps too but not by such a large margin) and it has been frustrating the local rebel players and they aren't working out how to beat it at the moment, mostly fighting against double whale +a/xwings or neb/corvette swarm +/- fighters I wanted to get some internet wisdom to take back to them.

My list....

VSD1 tarkin flight controllers supports vader soontir and howlrunner

vsd1 corruptor expanded hangers, rhymer 3x tie bomber

298 points missions advanced gunnery, contested outpost and dangerous terrain

I've been yelling at the guys to under bid me and choose to go second, as this is very mission dependent I feel but so far they have refused that.

So a rebel fleet made to could terms this. Ok then.

+++ Rebels (293pts) +++

+ Assault Frigate MkII (222pts) +

Assault Frigate Mark IIA (99pts)

X17 Turbolasers (6pts)

•Paragon (5pts)

Intel Officer (7pts)

Assault Frigate Mark IIB (123pts)

Electronic Countermeasures (7pts)

Expanded Hangar Bay (5pts)

Flight Controllers (6pts)

•Raymus Antilles (7pts)

X17 Turbolasers (6pts)

•General Dodonna (20pts)

+ Squadrons (71pts) +

A-Wing Squadron (11pts)

A-Wing Squadron (11pts)

A-Wing Squadron (11pts)

A-Wing Squadron (11pts)

A-Wing Squadron (11pts)

•Tycho Celchu (16pts)

+ Objectives +

Assault Objective [Most Wanted]

Defense Objective [Hyperspace Assault]

Navigation Objective [intel Sweep]

Sorry for poor English.

May be something about the next fleet?

REBEL FLEET (296 points)
1 • Assault Frigate Mark II B - Gallant Haven (80)
2 • Nebulon-B Escort Frigate - Yavaris (62)
3 • Nebulon-B Support Freight - Garm Bel Iblis - XI7 Turbolasers - Salvation (89)
4 • X-wing Squadron (13)
5 • X-wing Squadron (13)
6 • X-wing Squadron (13)
7 • X-wing Squadron (13)
8 • X-wing Squadron (13)

Two thoughts on Rebel squadrons versos this Imp list.

1) Vader is going to take a long time for a pure A-wing list to chew through, even with Flight Controllers, so I wouldn't mind seeing a couple X-wings to help take him down.

2) B-wings versus a slow moving VSD list wouldn't suck. Park them in front and let the VSD drag them along when they move and overlap, and the B's can just sting all day without even needing a squadron command.

Nah, the goal is not to kill Vader. The goal is to hold him down. All it takes is 1 hit per A-Wing and then a counter. Vader will likely take .75 to 1 A-Wing down a turn but that counter is still a damage.

If you can bog the group Vader is attacked to, you might get lucky and get a trip hit a couple of times. It is risky bit much more solid than Vader killing an X-Wing outright without the possibility of a repercussion. Also most players would try for Tycho first which Vader can kill if he gets an accuracy (well as long as the brace is gone)

B-Wings can work I am worried about Vader getting in there and killing one outright. It can happen though mathematically it's a small chance.

thanks Lyraeus, that's one list too take back

1) Vader is going to take a long time for a pure A-wing list to chew through, even with Flight Controllers, so I wouldn't mind seeing a couple X-wings to help take him down.

This is one of their biggest complaints, they don't like vaders ability to tank while fel and howl clean up on fighters

Yea it can be an issue, the combat method for that is Anti-Squadron attacks from capital ships and staying out of engagement range of Vader (not hard to do but it can be tricky, that is why speed 5 is a great thing) or can drop an obstacle in the way ^_~

I would tell them bring 2 an assault frigate mk2 b? (The expensive one) and 4 x-wings or a-wings then 2 escort frigates if they can manage and focus on antisquadren attacks because 6 dice from the ships is going to destroy the fighters pretty quickly

I'm surprised 3 squadrons are holding up anything on the rebel side

It's not difficult to engage enemies without engaging soonts when you can premeasure. Vader, while rightly terrifying, is silly expensive.

Sounds simply like the rebels need more fighter presence to overwhelm the incredibly limited anti squadron support of the imperial list. A fattie with fc would help push enough dice through

One squadron is all you need to neuter the rhymer ball (unless a missed chiraneu); the rest can jump on Vader

Dutch would be a good, cheap character to invest in. His ability is powerful, either shutting off Vader or hitting through brace, and he's tankier than vader.

I'd recommend avoiding other characters (unless you want keyan to blow up ships), especially wedge. He just seems incredible expensive for what he is (a very crappy vader)

I'd recommend avoiding other characters (unless you want keyan to blow up ships), especially wedge. He just seems incredible expensive for what he is (a very crappy vader)

Yea

Wedge needs the accuracy to be able to counter the scatter. Once had him against a tapped Mauler, with flight controllers, and rolled a fistfull of dice and didn't get one accuracy. next turn he was gone

As for the OP, it depends if the players are using sound tactics and using thier forces well. as well as having a good A-wing screen to prevent Rhymer from coming in. 2 whales and a-wing should do well, but if you get into close range with the whales you might as well say you are not even trying

On the rebel ace hate...

I once had a Yavaris activated Wedge/Dutch Combo clean up both Vader and Fel on the same turn. It was sexalicious.

296 point Rebel, Go first.

Assault Frigate MK2 B, X99 Turbolasers, Paragon

Neb B Support (cheaper one) with Dodonna

Neb B support with X17 Turbolasers and Salvation.

Neb B support with X17 Turbolasers

2 x A-wing.

Objectives: Hyperspace Assault, Most wanted, Intel Sweep.

Had a 10-0 and a 9-1 with this and a 3-7 but due to last roll of dice and flew badly that game.

Focus fire on your ships and most likely with good rolls one or two turn kill both, as I did this on Sunday vs 2 very similar fighter heavy lists, I use A wings to slow your bombers down for at Least 1 turn. Odds are with Dodonna and 2 face ups from x99 I will draw at least 1 double damage from 8 cards.