Daredevil interaction.

By DraconPyrothayan, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Way I see it, receiving the stress from DD is part of the action.
Therefore, am I correct in thinking that if DD was your first action for the turn, while you could still trigger Push the Limit off of it, you would be unable to perform the second action due to having received stress (without being Tycho or having Captain Yorr nearby)?

I am fairly confident that Vader can't use his second action if DD was his first for the round, for that reason.

Unlike Expert Handling, it doesn't contain a "Free Action" prior to the receiving of the stress, so PtL and ExHand don't have triggers to nest..

Correct on all counts.

Anything that triggers when executing a maneuver happens before the stress token.

I am not sure what you are eluding to. Are you implying that if you did a DD action first, you could then trigger PTL, but not actually take the action (even free actions) because the stress is not nexted? The DD card reads the same as AI and I have always assumed they were nested.

What am I missing?

I am not sure what you are eluding to. Are you implying that if you did a DD action first, you could then trigger PTL, but not actually take the action (even free actions) because the stress is not nexted?

Correct. After performing DD you have a stress token.

DD does not allow you to perform a 2nd, free action. EI, PTL and EH do.

What's AI?

Sorry. EI experimental interface. It just occurred to me that I am looking at this from the perspective of my Tycho Celchu builds, so none of it matters. I am no longer confused.

I wonder...

Since a ship with one (or more) stress tokens cannot perform actions in the "perform action" step, it follows that if the player uses his action to perform a red turn (as per DD action), such that the player immediately receives a stress token and thereafter is no longer able to perform actions (free or otherwise) because of that stress token.

The way I've read the text of Push The Limit: "... after you perform an action, you may perform 1 free action shown in your action bar", has always understood that the ability to actually "perform a free action" was the requisite trigger itself - i.e., if you were unable to perform an action, you couldn't trigger the "may" aspect of the card, because you the stress token turns that into a "may not" - to extend the metaphor.

Whether or not the "trigger" actually triggers, or is incapable of triggering (for PTL), the end result is the same as it would be with Vader - the player wouldn't be able to use the other action if he chose to execute a red maneuver (via DD) as his first action.

Since a ship with one (or more) stress tokens cannot perform actions in the "perform action" step, it follows that if the player uses his action to perform a red turn (as per DD action) ...

1) Daredevil is a white maneuver. Not red. Errata in the FAQ.

2) When the daredevil maneuver was still red, it did not assign a stress token. Because executing a maneuver never does. The check pilot stress step of the activation phase does. During the execution of daredevil, there is no check pilot stress step.

After resolving daredevil you have a stress token. At that time you cannot resolve PTL because stress prevents the action.

Edited by dvor

So, just so we're all clear, this only affects Darth Vader, Green Squadron Pilots, and Jake.

It affects Vader because he can take DD as his EPT, and if he does DD as his FIRST action, he does not get his second one since he's stressed. However, he can do DD as his second action without any problem.

It affects the Green/Jake because they can equip DD and PTL (don't know why anyone would, but it's possible). Daredevil can be the first action, but then they cannot take a second action via PTL due to being stressed from DD. Note this does not affect Tycho (the only other pilot who can take 2 EPTs) due to his being able to preform actions while stressed.

It does not affect anyone (not listed above) that wants to DD off of EI since EI triggers off of an action, and therefore DD would be the second and final action, and the pilot would end with two stress.

The smell would hold true for Expert Handling as well, yes?

The smell would hold true for Expert Handling as well, yes?

Yes, but only for Jake/Green since DV has the BR on his action bar and as such wouldn't get a stress for performing EH.