Your link for Z-'ceptors doesn't go to the page for Z-'ceptors.

Congrats though on finding an Ugly that's ACTUALLY ugly.

I see too many deviantart renders of uglies that actually try and make them look cool, which completely defeats the purpose of them being cobbled together junk fighters.

Yeah, Scum needs Uglies to make the faction thematically appropriate. I'd prefer them over the M3A.

I dunno, I like that Scyk well enough; it feels like I'm stuck upgrading a KIA instead of, I dunno, a Rebel Audi? Cars.

But yeah, the Z'ceptors drip theme haha. I love the look and think they could fill that B-Wing role that Scum don't quite have yet, so long as their dial is similarly unique (not too similar to the Kihraxz, StarViper, or Scyk, but I'd be cool if the Z'ceptor also lacked a 3-Turn).

But yeah, the Z'ceptors drip theme haha. I love the look and think they could fill that B-Wing role that Scum don't quite have yet, so long as their dial is similarly unique (not too similar to the Kihraxz, StarViper, or Scyk, but I'd be cool if the Z'ceptor also lacked a 3-Turn).

... what, by replacing the Kihraxz? C'mon, they haven't even been released yet and you want 'em to be outclassed?

But yeah, the Z'ceptors drip theme haha. I love the look and think they could fill that B-Wing role that Scum don't quite have yet, so long as their dial is similarly unique (not too similar to the Kihraxz, StarViper, or Scyk, but I'd be cool if the Z'ceptor also lacked a 3-Turn).

... what, by replacing the Kihraxz? C'mon, they haven't even been released yet and you want 'em to be outclassed?

Hahaha right?

I'm thinking, I dunno, 3/2/3/1 stats for the Z'Ceptor with Salvaged Astromech, Turret, and (maybe) Sensor slots. Make it potent but not entirely trustworthy; one HLC shot can nuke it if your dice fail you.

Somewhere, somehow, a mix of Scyk, Y-Wing, and Kihraxz with a dash of Headhunter to taste. I wouldn't want it to be as reliable or potent as the Kihraxz, not as sturdy as the Y-Wing, and not as nimble or cheap as the Scyk, but kind of a jack of all trades. Maybe give it the Boost action as well as Focus and either Target Lock or Barrel Roll, so it can take Autothrusters at the expense of a more-reliable Hull Upgrade? I want something where I can run three naked and have fun, or two with some upgrades, or take the Ace pilot and kit them out and make them a really potent force. The kind of intuitive, versatile hodgepodge that really sells me on Scum, you know?

So you want a 3-attack Z-95? I dunno, if they do something like an Ugly I expect it to be a gimmick ship, akin to a Defender (K-turns whee!) or Punisher (Who wants some ordnance in your face?) Possibly some special rule about malfunctions, a really weird movement template... something like that, with Aces that emphasise the point with risk/reward abilities.

Something along those lines! With the right upgrades, a Headhunter can be really rather potent; adding the stronger Upgrade slots would make the ship come into its own. I wouldn't be sure what stats would be appropriate according to design space, but just looking at the wiki article the Z'Ceptor doesn't scream "top of the line." As such, I figure giving it solid attack and customisability would make up for a less-stable structure. The dial would be middling to good, possibly with a gimmick like you said (an idea I had was to give it all five 1-Speed manoeuvres and make them all green; all five 2-Speed manoeuvres as white; red 2-K; 3-Straight and 3-Bank as white). Depending on dial and health I could see it being anywhere from 18-22 points for a PS2 generic pilot.

You have a good point though, the Scum don't have a solid gimmick ship yet and that seems a likely option. Especially with the ordnance push from Wave VII, I think they're going to want to add to the Scum lineup something that can further take advantage of that.

Thing is, you want it to match the firepower of an X-wing or B-wing whilst not being 'top of the line'. Generally, the poorer-quality ships end up throwing two dice; I'll grant the ugly has plenty of guns, but this might simply wind up with it being a 3-die scyk equivalent (2 hull, 1 shield), with fewer evades: Cheap, lots of firepower, but the most fragile ship in the game.

Might have a place there, actually. And then the Aces emphasise it by doing incredibly risky stuff for cool bonuses...

I wouldn't count on getting the 'good upgrade slots' just for versatility, though. The friggin' Defender didn't get the Systems slot; you can be sure an Ugly won't.

Sadly I'm pretty sure the Defender didn't get a Systems slot because the Phantom did; not sure how I'd feel about both with or both without, but I would've done it the other way for how they're costed (never mind the two Phantom-exclusive mods).

I'd love the Defender to get basically the TIE/ad X1 title in an Aces pack à la the B-Wing E/2 or A-Wing Test Pilot, but FFG have this neat habit of not repeating themselves. I'm excited to see if and when the Defender gets a Title or specific Cannon or something. I have proxied the Mk II and LOVE IT.

As for the Z'ceptor, unfortunately I think you're right in that it should be cheap and kind of flimsy. Maybe a unique Mod that gives it another Shield for two points (simply at the opportunity cost of not having an Engine or Mk II mod or something).

Thing is, you want it to match the firepower of an X-wing or B-wing whilst not being 'top of the line'.

Unfortunately, that's not how Ulgies work.

It's made pretty clear in the lore that uglies generally have the worst qualities of the ships that make up it's components.

That's why the TYE-Wing has the durability and firepower of a TIE Fighter, and the speed and maneuverability of a Y-Wing. Which is to say, terrible on both counts.

Precisely. And with the stated policy being that we'll never see a ship below 12 points (To prevent over-sized swarms, as I understand it), if it's worse than a Z-95 or TIE Fighter... you're not seeing it.

Scum is already the faction that tends to be primarily outdated ship designs; Uglies are the next step below, and in the EU qualify as decent on the basis of being a combat vessel at all. In the land of the X-wing Minatures Game... that's not so relevant.

Headhunter chassis, Interceptor wing panels, cannons from both, an Astromech, and a turret? Doesn't quite sound to me like they took dregs haha. If anything I'd expect it to have advantages and disadvantages in relation to the two ships from which it's built, and probably reside somewhere in the middle.

Precisely. And with the stated policy being that we'll never see a ship below 12 points (To prevent over-sized swarms, as I understand it), if it's worse than a Z-95 or TIE Fighter... you're not seeing it.

Doesn't that "No more than 8 of the same small base ship" rule already prevent oversized swarms?

Again, it kinda does if you take the worst aspects of each of those ships.

Durability of an Interceptor, maneuverability of a Z-95(which, admittedly, isn't terrible, but is still nowhere near as good as the Interceptor). It's got the guns of a Z-95 AND an Interceptor, but only half of an Interceptor, so they end up with the same firepower as an Interceptor, and doesn't have the Z-95's missiles or shields.

The astromech and turret are still pretty good through, mainly because the way this game works, there's no such thing and good or bad astromech or turret slots. So even though the Z-'ceptor's astromech slot is in the worst possible place, it works exactly the same.

the k-wing reminds me of a WWII bomber some how.

its starting to appeal to me.

the punisher just looks like a bulldog with an attitude

look at the modern day A-10 Warthog, its freegin ugly, but I like it and it tears **** up with its grenade launcher!!!!

I found the uglies.

the k-wing reminds me of a WWII bomber some how.

its starting to appeal to me.

the punisher just looks like a bulldog with an attitude

look at the modern day A-10 Warthog, its freegin ugly, but I like it and it tears **** up with its grenade launcher!!!!

If you mean the gun on the A-10's nose... that's a cannon. It just happens to fire explosive shells the size of grenades.

If you mean the gun on the A-10's nose... that's a cannon. It just happens to fire explosive shells the size of grenades.

It's the Heavy Laser Cannon of the Earth-verse.

If you mean the gun on the A-10's nose... that's a cannon. It just happens to fire explosive shells the size of grenades.

It's the Heavy Laser Cannon of the Earth-verse.

It's the Rapidfire Turbolaser of the Earthverse.

(Just for the people who actually want the uglies)

No game with a bumping mechanic should ever have anything called uglies in it.