or how I would like it to be fixed. When I look at the Defender I see a Delta worth 30 points but for 3 more I can take a FireSpray. Can only put 3 Defenders in a list with not a lot of upgrades, can put 3 FireSprays in a list and not care about upgrades. The way I see it if you cannot fit 4 small ships of the one type into a list that ship type it is over costed. since the points of a ship cannot really be changed we need to think of some other way to help what should be the scariest ship in the imperial navy out

Why not try a FREE Title that gives the Defender 5 free points to spend on secondary weapons. so a Delta could take a HLC for 2 points and all other cannons and Missiles free.

I don't think this would make them over powered as they still have a 1 & 2 sharp red and you could still only fit 3 of the in a list. 2 of them would be Deltas at PS 1. This could make them good Fat burners at 33 points (Delta Title HLC Twin Ion). Put 2 of them with Fel and I think it could be a good list. You could give them Mangler Cannon and pair them with the Tie Advanced for nothing but crit.

What do you think has someone suggested this before? is it over powered? or should I stay out of the sun for the rest of the day?

or should I stay out of the sun for the rest of the day?

You should wait and see how the now quite insane dial plays out before writing the ship off once again.

or should I stay out of the sun for the rest of the day?

You should wait and see how the now quite insane dial plays out before writing the ship off once again.

I only see the "fix" as a way of dealing with stress from tactician and Stress bot and doesn't fix the problem the deltas have witch is cost compared to a bounty hunter

HLC Deltas with MkII engines for 33 points would be super-fun!

You would need another modification slot for the ace pilots to be able to spend all the freed up points ...

... speaking of a DD list.

HLC Deltas with MkII engines for 33 points would be super-fun!

This would be even competitive.

I mean you still have only 3 PS1 ships. But those are heavy hitters now. and if they are able to enter the Todestanz with successive white k-turns and the dice dont roll too bad ....

You would need another modification slot for the ace pilots to be able to spend all the freed up points ...

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Why??

He's proposing this a Defender title not a modification

I like the idea but if you fix the non-OT ships to the point where they are competitive then people will QQ that the game has lost its x-wings vs TIE fighter identity .....

You would need another modification slot for the ace pilots to be able to spend all the freed up points ...

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Why??

He's proposing this a Defender title not a modification

Because the Defender might not need it. No one should prejudge the Twin Ion Engines before we see the firsthand experience and impact to the meta.

The Shuttle needs more help than the Defender does.

Priorities, please!!!

(Unless you consider Palpatine to be the Shuttle fix??? )

The Shuttle needs more help than the Defender does.

Priorities, please!!!

(Unless you consider Palpatine to be the Shuttle fix??? )

What? No its doesn't.

I use the good ol space cow all the time and hardly have a problem.

Its an unforgiving beast, sure, but its costed well.

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Well the OGP is atleast the named guys are best suited for epic I find

The Shuttle needs more help than the Defender does.

Priorities, please!!!

(Unless you consider Palpatine to be the Shuttle fix??? )

It's got a fix. It is called

The Shuttle needs more help than the Defender does.

Priorities, please!!!

(Unless you consider Palpatine to be the Shuttle fix??? )

What? No its doesn't.

I use the good ol space cow all the time and hardly have a problem.

Its an unforgiving beast, sure, but its costed well.

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Well the OGP is atleast the named guys are best suited for epic I find

I don't know if its just me but I find a lot of the upgrades and ships seam to be more suited for Epic then Dog Fights

I like the idea but if you fix the non-OT ships to the point where they are competitive then people will QQ that the game has lost its x-wings vs TIE fighter identity .....

I thought it already had?

Haven't the guys who come up with more ways to take our money already said the X Wing need a fix?

TIEs also need a fix, in that MoV should be changed to balance scoring vs fat turrets.

TIEs also need a fix, in that MoV should be changed to balance scoring vs fat turrets.

MOV doesn't matter if you win nearly all of your games...

TIEs also need a fix, in that MoV should be changed to balance scoring vs fat turrets.

Defenders with affordable HLC will take care of fat turrets

TIEs also need a fix, in that MoV should be changed to balance scoring vs fat turrets.

MOV doesn't matter if you win nearly all of your games...

Actually that is where the MOV matters. If you win all but 1 then MOV is the tie breaker.

Now if you only win half your games (or less) the MOV doesn't really matter. The MOV is like the overhang at the end of the steep cliffs called Swiss where the climb goes from vertical to inverted.

If you have just won all your swiss games then that's when MOV doesn't matter that much.

I like the idea but if you fix the non-OT ships to the point where they are competitive then people will QQ that the game has lost its x-wings vs TIE fighter identity .....

I thought it already had?

What, lost its identity?

I don't see how, the game is about star fighter battles set in the star wars universe, that doesn't mean x-wings and TIEs need to be the main combatants.

But yes the generics do need something, if the rookie was 20 points you could have 5 in a squad. That would be pretty mean

"The Fix"
Overpriced ship only. Title.

When you do a dice roll, you may roll 2 extra dice, then immediately cancel two die results.
Cost 0

I really like this idea. You can go a few different ways with it (two Ion Onyx and 38-40 points of whoever? HLC Vessery and a couple of X1-ATC aces?) and it doesn't feel overpowered at first blush.

I will have to play test out your 5 points of free upgrades title idea.

Would you limit it to cannons and missiles or just what ever you want to equip??

Im quite liking the thought of 3 HLC Delta's

What to do with that last 4 points though....

The way I see it if you cannot fit 4 small ships of the one type into a list that ship type it is over costed...

Stopped reading here. A ship's stats, dial, actions and abilities have more to do with the points cost than base size. A Missile Boat would be a small based ship, and if their abilities and stats matched their performance in TIE Fighter, absolutely nobody would want to face four of them in a 100 point list...

You would need another modification slot for the ace pilots to be able to spend all the freed up points ...

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Why??

He's proposing this a Defender title not a modification

Because:

The bank greens still don't make PTL work for Rex.