Various questions

By surly88, in X-Wing Rules Questions

1 - say the only ships remaining are a Doomshuttle with 1 hull point* and any opponent, also with 1 hull remaining. Shuttle shoots at him, misses and uses Vader so he gets a crit.

Is the game a draw, or will the shuttle die before, therefore losing the game?

Same would go for Feedback Array.

(*for those who are unsure, FAQ states that you can use Vader on 1 HP left)

2 - is Jake Farrell with PTL allowed to use a boost action, then focus, then barrel roll thanks to his ability? I'd say no, since he gets a stress token from PTL and therefore can't perform the barrel roll.

3 - how does Expert Handling and PTL work together? Say I have a Tie Interceptor with PTL who uses boost, then wants to use Expert Handling. Can he make the barrel roll? Regarding the FAQ, EH gives him barrel roll as a free action, therefore I'd think he can't make the roll due to stress. However, I don't think this is how it's meant to work ...

4 - can I use Daredevil to fly into an enemy so we can't shoot at each other? (Assuming he flew first)

5 - let's assume my opponent set his dial and would fly over an debris cloud. Since other ships move to that area and block him, he can't finish the move after the asteroid but before, flying into another ship. The question now is, since his movement template would still go over the debris cloud, even though he never touched or flew over it, does he still get the stress token and roll if he gets a crit?

Thanks a lot :)

Edited by surly88

1. both ships simultaneously destroyed - Game Drawn

2. The trigger for jakes pilot ability is nested within the sequence for PTL - so the stress is added after his ability is triggered.

( action #1 > PTL - Action #2 (focus) > pilot ability triggered > Barrel Roll action > add stress from PTL )

3. You seem to be under the impression that the stress from PTL is added before the second action is taken - if it were, PTL wouldn't work under any circumstances - so basically question 3 is the same as Q2

***edit*** you can't use PTL to activate EH as the second action - PTL only works with actions on your action bar

You could perform EH then PTL to boost tho - note that TIE interceptors do not receive stress from EH as they have the BR action.

4. DD is treated as a maneuver so yes

Edited by Funkleton

Thanks for the reply.

Tbh though, I don't really understand why Vader kills both ships at the same time while PTL should add the stress token after I performed Jake's action. For me, I'd definately would finish of the PTL text before going to the next (in this case Jake's ability). Any chance to get some proof for this? Less for myself, more for opponents who won't trust me that's true.

Oh, and I also edited a 5th question, would be awesome if you could check it ;)

Nested action chains are discussed and explained here.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/138235-action-stacking-jake-farrellptl/?hl=nested#entry1500239

and here

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/176981-clarification-on-the-resolutiontimingannouncement-of-action-chains/?hl=nested#entry1626631

5. You only suffer the penalty for overlapping / moving through an obstacle if you actually overlap or move through it.

Edited by Funkleton

Thanks a lot ... twice :D

You should check out the FAQ, it has a section for PTL showing that

Thanks for the reply.

Tbh though, I don't really understand why Vader kills both ships at the same time while PTL should add the stress token after I performed Jake's action. For me, I'd definately would finish of the PTL text before going to the next (in this case Jake's ability). Any chance to get some proof for this? Less for myself, more for opponents who won't trust me that's true.

Oh, and I also edited a 5th question, would be awesome if you could check it ;)

You should check the FAQ, not only will it answer most of your questions, it's allso as official prof as you'll ever get to prov to your untrusting opponents ;)

5. If the TEMPLATE crosses the Obstacle then the ship should suffer that regardless of where it ends up although the ship itself may not be on the obstacle. If this were an Asteroid and you were going to fly over it you may clear it with the ship but because the template hit it you suffer from that effect. I do not believe that being blocked all the way back to a point where the ship doesn't reach the asteroid actually changes where the template travelled.

Going just by the base rules, I would agrea with you, however the FAQ specificaly adress this situation (last page) saying you do not suffer the effect of the obstacle if you bump so that you end up stoping befor reaching it.

Going just by the base rules, I would agrea with you, however the FAQ specificaly adress this situation (last page) saying you do not suffer the effect of the obstacle if you bump so that you end up stoping befor reaching it.

A "yes/no" answer but one that may fit better with 'common sense' in reality than it does with 'following common sense" in the game which says template and final position are two unrelated things.

If you have a ship with darth Vader as a crew you may use his ability if you only have 1 hull left. According to the newest version of the FAQ

Edited by ONEnONLY1

Another question that came up yesterday ... (assuming playing with tournament rules) ...

If I announce a barrel roll to the left I check if it's possible, if so I have to do it. If it's not possible, I don't make the roll and can make another action instead. Correct?

So Jake Farrel's ability lets me either roll or boost for free. Say I focus, therefore get the free action, then announce to roll to the left. It's not possible, so I want to boost left instead. This isn't possible either, so instead I roll to the right, which is possible and therefore I have to do it.

Is this legimate?

Yes, that is correct.

Keep in mind though, with barrel rolling, it is possible to roll in a particular direction and end up in different locations. If you declare a rol to the left you have to do it if you fit in any way, not just if you don't fit scooted all the way forward or back.

Thanks a lot :)

Question #3: How does a TIE Interceptor get 2 Elite Pilot Talents? Was I the only one to spot this?

Question #3: How does a TIE Interceptor get 2 Elite Pilot Talents? Was I the only one to spot this?

good catch :-)

Question #3: How does a TIE Interceptor get 2 Elite Pilot Talents? Was I the only one to spot this?

good catch :-)

True but change Interceptor to A-Wing and it becomes a real question again unless you're looking at a BR to EH.

1. both ships simultaneously destroyed - Game Drawn

Outside of tournaments you should just call in a draw as well. Unless it is a 'tournament' of some time who actually wins or loses doesn't matter so just split the difference and call it a draw.

Outside of tournaments you should just call in a draw as well. Unless it is a 'tournament' of some time who actually wins or loses doesn't matter so just split the difference and call it a draw.

Sounds fair. Unfortunately the rulebook disagrees.

Outside of tournaments you should just call in a draw as well. Unless it is a 'tournament' of some time who actually wins or loses doesn't matter so just split the difference and call it a draw.

Sounds fair. Unfortunately the rulebook disagrees.

Of course the rulebook doesn't always agree with other things that are commonly accepted practices.

I also guess I don't see where there would be any satisfaction in saying "oh ya, I totally won that game although we were both completely wiped out but you were the **** **** who let me have initiative allowing me to do this victory dance and shove a lose in your face."