A jungle plamet followed by a trash world, eh? I was hoping for a little more variation from what we got in Beyond the Rim.

Utilizing criminal cartels outside of the Hutts - be they Black Sun, Zann Consortium, Car'das smugglers, etc. - are okay with me. Variety is the spice of life and all that and I like that Edge PCs can have employers other than Hutts.

While a career book would have been preferred, I'm not disappointed by this announcement. I don't run published adventures (anymore) but they're great for strip mining NPCs, monsters and location details. I constantly rip material from Beyond the Rim and Jewel of Yavin for my on going campaign. Ord Mantel is a world I've wanted a clearer picture on for some time and if this book does the job, that's fine with me.

More like the mouse is directing licensees to promote current and coming content I would imagine.

I kind of doubt it. Disney's involvement thus far seems to be a ban on smoking on screen. RPGs are so far down the line, I'm surprised they're even a blip on the radar.

I may or may not get this. I like how lacking in sexism the Star Wars setting generally is and a sex-specific organization rubs me the wrong way, slightly. It undermines an aspect of the setting I greatly like. Of course there are species-specific cases such as the Dathomir witches or Geonosians, but as a society the galaxy seems to regard it as a non-issue which I have always loved. The OT were a bit male-heavy which was a factor of its times (or more likely George Lucas) but TCW, Rebels and FFG have all done a sterling job of undoing that.

Still, I'll see what it's like when it's out. Jewel Of Yavin was excellent source material even if not run as an adventure.

The feature movies have all been overwhelmingly sexist. Throwing in a lady here or there while 90% of characters are males != equality. Moreover, I have personally been flamed on this forum for expressing any excitement in seeing FFG created female pilots for X-Wing Miniatures. The sexism around here is disgusting and real.

I do not enjoy seeing Amazon tribes either, honestly. In fact it is a trope that the SW universe has used in past to shunt all the women into one small plot and then say "See! We aren't sexist!". Then the rest of the series can be almost entirely devoid of women.

Rebels and the Clone Wars both had major problems with the way they depicted women. The former feels heavily like a show about boys with two women who sometimes get an episode or a scene but generally count the content - the women get least amount of screen time. I hope it improves in S2.

TCW had the Mandalorian plot which involved two fabulous sisters. Asaj, Asokha, Shaak Ti, and others were pretty great force users, but sure I can count a few now let's count the number of men.

All that in mind - FFG does work hard to represent both women and diversity. My players and I flip through the books and marvel at the amount of art that is women and people of colour. We remember the racist, sexist fiasco that was 2nd and 3rd E DnD where the overwhelming majority of the art was white people and all the women may as well have been naked.

More women is always better and I'm very grateful that FFG takes the time to include diversity in their books. I wish the player base for some of their products could stop behaving like WoD Marauders, break their privilege bubble and realize that still in 2015 most content has a token POC or a token woman and they get fewer stories. Thank goodness for Sense8.

I have personally been flamed on this forum for expressing any excitement in seeing FFG created female pilots for X-Wing Miniatures. The sexism around here is disgusting and real.

The EotE boards are not the Xwing boards...

I have personally been flamed on this forum for expressing any excitement in seeing FFG created female pilots for X-Wing Miniatures. The sexism around here is disgusting and real.

The EotE boards are not the Xwing boards...

Certainly not - which is why I stay here more often. That wasn't implied either.

I may or may not get this. I like how lacking in sexism the Star Wars setting generally is and a sex-specific organization rubs me the wrong way, slightly. It undermines an aspect of the setting I greatly like. Of course there are species-specific cases such as the Dathomir witches or Geonosians, but as a society the galaxy seems to regard it as a non-issue which I have always loved. The OT were a bit male-heavy which was a factor of its times (or more likely George Lucas) but TCW, Rebels and FFG have all done a sterling job of undoing that.

Still, I'll see what it's like when it's out. Jewel Of Yavin was excellent source material even if not run as an adventure.

The feature movies have all been overwhelmingly sexist. Throwing in a lady here or there while 90% of characters are males != equality. Moreover, I have personally been flamed on this forum for expressing any excitement in seeing FFG created female pilots for X-Wing Miniatures. The sexism around here is disgusting and real.

As you're directly replying to me on this, I'll respond. I find the OT rather male-heavy as I wrote in my original post, but other than that not sexist. The main female character is notably capable and her motivations are laudable and not focused around a male character. One could object to her costuming and enslavement by Jaba in that sequence, but it doesn't diminish the character imo - she remains defiant despite being used as a trophy and ultimately murders her captor single-handedly. The PT are similarly rather male-heavy which I think is primarily because it is tied directly to two of the main characters from the OT who are also male and so that carries over. So they're sexist in so far as they are low in female representation which is what I wrote. But I don't find them sexist in terms of content or how the female characters are treated. But anyway, once we get onto TCW and Rebels, I find them notably non-sexist and it is one of the aspects of them that I have always considered very much in their favour.

Rebels and the Clone Wars both had major problems with the way they depicted women. The former feels heavily like a show about boys with two women who sometimes get an episode or a scene but generally count the content - the women get least amount of screen time. I hope it improves in S2.

I don't get your comments about TCW at all. One of the primary characters and the one who should the most emotional development by the end of Season five, is female and I don't see anything about Ahsoka that is sexist. There are also numerous other female characters and I don't recall any of them coming across as less significant, weaker or less independent because they are female. Asajj, Aura Sing, Duchess Satine, Padmé, Luminara, Barris... all interesting characters whose motivations and capabilities are not impinged in any way that I can think of in their portrayal by being female. The series is rich in good female characters. I mean the clones are all male, but I'm not sure how you'd avoid that given the premise. There are lots of others as well. I STRONGLY like how TCW and Rebels fight and act equally with the male characters without anyone thinking anything of it.

Regards screen time in Rebels, I don't really notice any significant differences. They all seem to get roughly similar screentime. Sabine gets less than Ezra but then Ezra is kind of the viewpoint character. And both Sabine and Hera are excellent characters who again, are capable, independent and their motivations do not revolve around men.

I doubt it's a big thing to most people nor do I argue that it must be, but I was just mentioning the small fact that gender-divided organizations in this adventure run counter to one of my favourite aspects of Star Wars which is the lack of sexism in the setting.

I logged on and this thread didn't even appear in my feed... **** ISP.. So... we get a 'bounty hunting' adventure with no Bounty Hunter splat!!

I logged on and this thread didn't even appear in my feed... **** ISP.. So... we get a 'bounty hunting' adventure with no Bounty Hunter splat!!

Maybe, maybe not. Hope for that Gencon 'leak' like Stay on Target last year.

I hope so... need the splat books... I've made space on my shelf. 3.5e & PFRPG have been placed far right.... EotE stuff has been given pride of place in the 'Up-Out-The-Comfy-Swivel-Chair-Grab-Book-From-Shelf' section.

As you're directly replying to me on this, I'll respond. I find the OT rather male-heavy as I wrote in my original post, but other than that not sexist. The main female character is notably capable and her motivations are laudable and not focused around a male character. One could object to her costuming and enslavement by Jaba in that sequence, but it doesn't diminish the character imo - she remains defiant despite being used as a trophy and ultimately murders her captor single-handedly. The PT are similarly rather male-heavy which I think is primarily because it is tied directly to two of the main characters from the OT who are also male and so that carries over. So they're sexist in so far as they are low in female representation which is what I wrote. But I don't find them sexist in terms of content or how the female characters are treated. But anyway, once we get onto TCW and Rebels, I find them notably non-sexist and it is one of the aspects of them that I have always considered very much in their favour.

Rebels and the Clone Wars both had major problems with the way they depicted women. The former feels heavily like a show about boys with two women who sometimes get an episode or a scene but generally count the content - the women get least amount of screen time. I hope it improves in S2.

I don't get your comments about TCW at all. One of the primary characters and the one who should the most emotional development by the end of Season five, is female and I don't see anything about Ahsoka that is sexist. There are also numerous other female characters and I don't recall any of them coming across as less significant, weaker or less independent because they are female. Asajj, Aura Sing, Duchess Satine, Padmé, Luminara, Barris... all interesting characters whose motivations and capabilities are not impinged in any way that I can think of in their portrayal by being female. The series is rich in good female characters. I mean the clones are all male, but I'm not sure how you'd avoid that given the premise. There are lots of others as well. I STRONGLY like how TCW and Rebels fight and act equally with the male characters without anyone thinking anything of it.

Regards screen time in Rebels, I don't really notice any significant differences. They all seem to get roughly similar screentime. Sabine gets less than Ezra but then Ezra is kind of the viewpoint character. And both Sabine and Hera are excellent characters who again, are capable, independent and their motivations do not revolve around men.

I doubt it's a big thing to most people nor do I argue that it must be, but I was just mentioning the small fact that gender-divided organizations in this adventure run counter to one of my favourite aspects of Star Wars which is the lack of sexism in the setting.

Well that's kind of the point - you're talking about specific characters and those characters are great. I'm talking about the fact that there's barely any women cast at all in these shows so we point out the notable exceptions and commend the show on them.

We agree on the quality of most of the female characters. My point is there are not enough female characters and they do not get enough screen time. There are very noticeable screen time differences and quality of content differences in Rebels and TCW. It is nice to commend the producers on having included women that are more of Leia caliber than that of Padme (and I completely agree re: Princess Leia = Win) but I am am not satisfied with how much of Sabine and Hera we see.

I will not likely be satisfied until they include Sabine and Hera as often as they include the purple guy, the hipster Jedi, and the trash can. Ezra is the POV character, of course he would come in first - but Sabine and Hera largely come in last.

It is reasonable that you do not notice it because it is not something that haunts your entire life. It is not reasonable to believe it is not there because you do not see it. You cannot see the Force, either. ^___^

At any rate - we both largely agree and certainly commend FFG on the continued efforts towards diversity. I look forward to finding out who is behind The Mask of the Pirate Queen.

I said it already, but I think that specific phrase of "..bounty hunt.." is a clue, because it's kind of a odd phrase otherwise and not really a phrase you see written.

We got Beyond the Rim - which largely featured exploration as a key component to the adventure - just around the same time as the Explorer career book. It might be that we see something similar with the BH book.

I'm still hoping the Technician is up next, but I won't complain either way.

As you're directly replying to me on this, I'll respond. I find the OT rather male-heavy as I wrote in my original post, but other than that not sexist. The main female character is notably capable and her motivations are laudable and not focused around a male character. One could object to her costuming and enslavement by Jaba in that sequence, but it doesn't diminish the character imo - she remains defiant despite being used as a trophy and ultimately murders her captor single-handedly. The PT are similarly rather male-heavy which I think is primarily because it is tied directly to two of the main characters from the OT who are also male and so that carries over. So they're sexist in so far as they are low in female representation which is what I wrote. But I don't find them sexist in terms of content or how the female characters are treated. But anyway, once we get onto TCW and Rebels, I find them notably non-sexist and it is one of the aspects of them that I have always considered very much in their favour.

Rebels and the Clone Wars both had major problems with the way they depicted women. The former feels heavily like a show about boys with two women who sometimes get an episode or a scene but generally count the content - the women get least amount of screen time. I hope it improves in S2.

I don't get your comments about TCW at all. One of the primary characters and the one who should the most emotional development by the end of Season five, is female and I don't see anything about Ahsoka that is sexist. There are also numerous other female characters and I don't recall any of them coming across as less significant, weaker or less independent because they are female. Asajj, Aura Sing, Duchess Satine, Padmé, Luminara, Barris... all interesting characters whose motivations and capabilities are not impinged in any way that I can think of in their portrayal by being female. The series is rich in good female characters. I mean the clones are all male, but I'm not sure how you'd avoid that given the premise. There are lots of others as well. I STRONGLY like how TCW and Rebels fight and act equally with the male characters without anyone thinking anything of it.

Regards screen time in Rebels, I don't really notice any significant differences. They all seem to get roughly similar screentime. Sabine gets less than Ezra but then Ezra is kind of the viewpoint character. And both Sabine and Hera are excellent characters who again, are capable, independent and their motivations do not revolve around men.

I doubt it's a big thing to most people nor do I argue that it must be, but I was just mentioning the small fact that gender-divided organizations in this adventure run counter to one of my favourite aspects of Star Wars which is the lack of sexism in the setting.

Well that's kind of the point - you're talking about specific characters and those characters are great. I'm talking about the fact that there's barely any women cast at all in these shows so we point out the notable exceptions and commend the show on them.

We agree on the quality of most of the female characters. My point is there are not enough female characters and they do not get enough screen time. There are very noticeable screen time differences and quality of content differences in Rebels and TCW. It is nice to commend the producers on having included women that are more of Leia caliber than that of Padme (and I completely agree re: Princess Leia = Win) but I am am not satisfied with how much of Sabine and Hera we see.

I will not likely be satisfied until they include Sabine and Hera as often as they include the purple guy, the hipster Jedi, and the trash can. Ezra is the POV character, of course he would come in first - but Sabine and Hera largely come in last.

It is reasonable that you do not notice it because it is not something that haunts your entire life. It is not reasonable to believe it is not there because you do not see it. You cannot see the Force, either. ^___^

At any rate - we both largely agree and certainly commend FFG on the continued efforts towards diversity. I look forward to finding out who is behind The Mask of the Pirate Queen.

Okay, well we're in agreement on the films. I feel you're being significantly too hard on TCW. Ahsoka was the primary character in many of the episodes (and not infrequently the sole primary character), and in many others had equal time and importance with Anakin. Plus female protagonists were common. Under-represented slightly as villains, admittedly. Rebels they all seem pretty close in screen time to me with the obvious exception of Ezra. I honestly couldn't say whether Zeb or Sabine gets most screen time. They both come second to Chopper, I think.

Anyway, I think we agree on many things so lets not fall out over differences in degree on TCW / Rebels. I do feel a little hard done by when you comment on my not noticing things because they don't affect my life. You don't, so far as I'm aware, know me at all and I have battled with sexism most of my life. I think it's especially unfair to call me out for being sexism-blind when this is only happening because I felt the need to express my distaste for gender-based organizations in the setting. We've never met and you're making a lot of assumptions about my life. If I regard Star Wars as far ahead of most contemporary media in terms of sexism, that doesn't tell you anything about me other than I have a different take on things than you. TCW has many independent, capable female characters in critical roles whose motivations are no different from any given male character. And they get roughly equal screen time to male counterparts. That and the fact that almost never does the universe around them treat this as unusual is very much to Star Wars' credit. Especially that latter part which is what I especially appreciate.

Anyway, as I say, we differ on this and that's fine - let's not turn this into an argument. But I find it unfair for you to essentially fling comments at me about my level of awareness.

Okay, well we're in agreement on the films. I feel you're being significantly too hard on TCW. Ahsoka was the primary character in many of the episodes (and not infrequently the sole primary character), and in many others had equal time and importance with Anakin. Plus female protagonists were common. Under-represented slightly as villains, admittedly. Rebels they all seem pretty close in screen time to me with the obvious exception of Ezra. I honestly couldn't say whether Zeb or Sabine gets most screen time. They both come second to Chopper, I think.

Anyway, I think we agree on many things so lets not fall out over differences in degree on TCW / Rebels. I do feel a little hard done by when you comment on my not noticing things because they don't affect my life. You don't, so far as I'm aware, know me at all and I have battled with sexism most of my life. I think it's especially unfair to call me out for being sexism-blind when this is only happening because I felt the need to express my distaste for gender-based organizations in the setting. We've never met and you're making a lot of assumptions about my life. If I regard Star Wars as far ahead of most contemporary media in terms of sexism, that doesn't tell you anything about me other than I have a different take on things than you. TCW has many independent, capable female characters in critical roles whose motivations are no different from any given male character. And they get roughly equal screen time to male counterparts. That and the fact that almost never does the universe around them treat this as unusual is very much to Star Wars' credit. Especially that latter part which is what I especially appreciate.

Anyway, as I say, we differ on this and that's fine - let's not turn this into an argument. But I find it unfair for you to essentially fling comments at me about my level of awareness.

I apologize for offending you and misunderstanding your position. It was not my intention.

I can clearly see you are pretty much the benchmark around these forums for being a good chap. I do value that.

It is extremely difficult for me to be constantly told that there's more than enough women in media, games, etc. It is 99.9999% of the time not coming from a good place. In this situation I can tell that you are the.0001%.

We can agree to disagree and that's fine. SW does a better job than DC and Marvel comics. I don't think I need to consider the war over just yet. If I say things are not balanced, I believe it is true. We are still discussing specific examples and that is part of the problem. I can concede this or that but if you take a look at the x-wing forums and the response to FFG's creating female TIE Phantom pilots or bringing in Juno Eclipse as a pilot you might be able to see why I get defensive about this subject.

At any rate - yay pirate queen. I think I'm done with this site for awhile.

Again, the EotE boards are not the xwing boards. These here are all mature guys and girls that have actual conversations on all things to with the RPG and Star Wars as a whole. Sure things can get heated at times but overall I have never been on a message board that was this much of a tight community. Ever.

Don't let your bad experience with the boys on the xwing side of things drive you away. I can safely say that we could always use another eloquent poster on these boards.

Furthermore girls are hopelessly under represented here too, so make a difference!

I may or may not get this. I like how lacking in sexism the Star Wars setting generally is and a sex-specific organization rubs me the wrong way, slightly. It undermines an aspect of the setting I greatly like. Of course there are species-specific cases such as the Dathomir witches or Geonosians, but as a society the galaxy seems to regard it as a non-issue which I have always loved. The OT were a bit male-heavy which was a factor of its times (or more likely George Lucas) but TCW, Rebels and FFG have all done a sterling job of undoing that.

Still, I'll see what it's like when it's out. Jewel Of Yavin was excellent source material even if not run as an adventure.

Aren't the Selonians a species that is sexist towards males? Sexism is not a major part of the Star Wars universe, but it exists in some places. In that vein, the all-female crime syndicate is not out of place.

I may or may not get this. I like how lacking in sexism the Star Wars setting generally is and a sex-specific organization rubs me the wrong way, slightly. It undermines an aspect of the setting I greatly like. Of course there are species-specific cases such as the Dathomir witches or Geonosians, but as a society the galaxy seems to regard it as a non-issue which I have always loved. The OT were a bit male-heavy which was a factor of its times (or more likely George Lucas) but TCW, Rebels and FFG have all done a sterling job of undoing that.

Still, I'll see what it's like when it's out. Jewel Of Yavin was excellent source material even if not run as an adventure.

Aren't the Selonians a species that is sexist towards males? Sexism is not a major part of the Star Wars universe, but it exists in some places. In that vein, the all-female crime syndicate is not out of place.

IIRC, the males are treated kind of like how male bees (drones) are treated. In fact, wookiepedia describes them as a hive society just like bees:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Selonian

"Despite their mammalian appearance, the social structure of a Selonian family was more similar to insectoid races as they possessed a hive minded society. Their family dens were typically constructed underground and consisted of a single fertile female who was the Queen, a few fertile males and a large number of infertile females."

For better or for worse, matriarchies are common in fantasy lore and Star Wars is no exception. The Witches of Dathomir, the Fallanassi adepts, the Selonians, the Noghri, the Hapes Consortium... all female governed.

The SW galaxy isn't a progressive paradise. Hereditary and elected monarchies are idealized institutions, for example, and the only example of a democracy that we've seen in the films is riddled with corruption and run by a Sith lord. Not exactly a sterling endorsement of modern political sensibilities.

I agree that a "lady pirates" group isn't the best way to address gender issues in gaming and fantasy fiction but it also isn't the worst message that SW as a whole, and even in just the gaming corner, can be accused of sending. I think if FFG can hold firm and avoid (over)sexualizing women in its art and avoid lascivious content in its books it will have done much better than many other gaming companies I can think of.

We got Beyond the Rim - which largely featured exploration as a key component to the adventure - just around the same time as the Explorer career book. It might be that we see something similar with the BH book.

I'm still hoping the Technician is up next, but I won't complain either way.

I'd forgotten that. Another good sign I think. No downside to the next splatbook and I want em both equally.

Just the leadership... and the males are good cannon-fodder

WITNESS MEEEEEEE!

Again, the EotE boards are not the xwing boards. These here are all mature guys and girls that have actual conversations on all things to with the RPG and Star Wars as a whole. Sure things can get heated at times but overall I have never been on a message board that was this much of a tight community. Ever.

Don't let your bad experience with the boys on the xwing side of things drive you away. I can safely say that we could always use another eloquent poster on these boards.

Furthermore girls are hopelessly under represented here too, so make a difference!

"Mature"?! Speak for yourself!

As mature as grown ups playing an RPG in a galaxy far far away can be...

I wonder if the new adventure book will be for advanced characters like Jewel of Yavin was or be based on starting heroes. Hopefully the former.

Seeing an adventure book for EotE is a great sign and I was hoping to see one this year. I had all but given up on it and now out of the blue it gets announced. Hurray!

Now I just need those Bounty Hunter and Technician books for my players in those careers to round out the class-book collection.,

Not feeling all that psyched about this, to be honest. I would much prefer to see either of the two missing career books.

They will come.