Token flood problem

By CaineHoA, in X-Wing

I have left unused tokens unpunched since the Core Set and Waves I and II and III, since that is when I got into XWing! Leaving them unpunched and in a box keeps them convenient and in "new" condition until I need them!

I hardly punch things out with each new wave, ship bases, mines, bombs, etc is about it. i couldnt tell you the last time I punched out a TL, Shield, Ion, Evade, etc.

Thanks for reminding me, I gotta pick up those mini rubber bands to keep my TL pairs organized.

Do you have a size or link of the bands you use? I hadn't even considered that, and it is a great idea.

Go to the beauty section of Wal-Mart or another department store. The small ones for ponytails work just fine. I've been using the same pack for two years.

I love collecting tokens. Gotta collect them all. I am hoping we get a 47 number token so I can give it to my favourite stand-in droid, HK-47. Then next is HK-50.

Removing new tokens from cardboard is way better than popping bubble wrap.

I make a kit that has all the tokens I will ever need in a 100 point game. As for extras I just throw them in a bag and save them until I need them. Don't tell me you haven't lost anything like a dice of a maneuver template. You can lose tokens just as easily.

Really what I'm waiting for some ARTE. SOMEONE MAKE SOME ARTE. i will gladly mail you all my extra tokens.

Really what I'm waiting for some ARTE. SOMEONE MAKE SOME ARTE. i will gladly mail you all my extra tokens.

Huh?

my 7yr old daughter got some of my tokens for to put on a cardboard robot she was making for a school project. she was super excited! maybe we could start up a thread called '101 uses for x-wig tokens' :)

I must have been the only person disappointed most wanted only came with 1 set of target locks

My OCD is not satisfied unless each ship is stored away with a bag of all the tokens it need to play a game with that ship

Thanks for reminding me, I gotta pick up those mini rubber bands to keep my TL pairs organized.

Do you have a size or link of the bands you use? I hadn't even considered that, and it is a great idea.

In the UK a recent kids craze was 'loom bands' to make bracelets with.

Google it, for about $2 you can get a back of thousands of tiny bands in various colours that are perfect for putting TL tokens in pairs

I use bright green for imperials, red for rebels and black for S&V so i know im not picking up duplicates

Hmm even if some ppl might be totally fine with this. Maybe we can come up with suggestions for different tokens?

The notion that FFG purposely includes more tokens than it needs in order to not "give you other [other] stuff" while not thinking "about what would actually make more sense" - seems an overly harsh, and not terribly generous surmission. I'll assume hyperbole rather than the profound sense of entitlement which unfortunately seems more likely. :huh:

If you have more tokens than you need, why not donate your excess to your local game store. Have them set out a "Give a token, take a token" jar or something, so that those who have more can give, and those who lack can take. Surely at local events such a jar would be a great benefit to those who forgot to bring something. Then you could be the genius who thought of it, rather than narcissist who is offended by the first world problems that arise from his own profound abundance.

The other notion - the idea that FFG is using these tokens as filler in the expansions (which subsequently hinders them from putting in more "value added" expansion fodder like upgrades etc)? That's crazy funny. You're trolling right? No one is really that silly! <_<

I know noone who has a lack of those tokens but maybe im a exception from the rule. So while your suggestion to give it to the store might be a nice thing to do i fear it wouldnt do any good if they would even accept it.

No i wasn't trolling with any of my points taken. If you have a different opinion that doesnt mean im silly ;-) And yes while there is a point in giving new players enough tokens with each expansion to be used on their own the amount they add is silly. If they have more stuff on their product pictures it is a way to make you believe you get more for your money. So adding more tokens than you need to fill up their cardboard space is mostly that.

excourse: "first world problem reasoning":

Btw. i dont understand the often to read point of "first world problem, so don't talk about it". Everything we discuss here is a first world problem, even the game rules. So is the point to not use the forum or what? It just doesnt make sense to me to talk down a problem by calling it a first world problem... thats just a lazy argument in the style of "i don't care about it so lets find a reason the poster can feel bad about even asking". Not discussing it doesn't change anything for the parts of the world where they don't play x-wing.

Edited by CaineHoA

I find 'first world problem' things a bit daft too.

All my problems are 'first world problems' because surprisingly i live in Nottingham so dont have to worry about river blindness, tribal warfare, walking 8 miles to find potable water or being murdered for liking the wrong type of invisible space pixie.

Mind you when i lived in Bradford it was a different story.

(i appreciate you may have to know what some UK citiies are like to get that)

I quite like the idea of a FLGS 'token bank' though. You'd only need five or six jam jars in the back of the store to store them (preferably free of jam first), i usually take exactly what i need for a game so i occasionally forget a focus or evade token or dont bring enough stress when running PTL utilising lists.

Edited by Gadge

Here I was thinking this was going to be about having too many tokens on the board to keep track of but I see it goes much deeper.

I believe FFG is right in sending out the needed tokens with a ship otherwise you could see a new player who needs to use all of his ships come up short on tokens. What are 'needed' tokens? I'm thinking every ship can Focus so you need one of those. The ship can TL or Evade I guess you need those tokens as well. If a ship has Shields you'll need those tokens too. Some of the other actions a ship can take require specific tokens, Cloak and SLAM for example, but I'm not sure about other things. Including ID tokens which are very tricky because how many you need depends entirely on how you build your squadron and what your opponent brings; if two 8 ship TIE swarms meet a lot of IDs are needed but that is clearly a worst case scenario.

An unfortunate thing about all of these needed tokens that happen to carry over to all ships is that it leaves far less space for those things we may like to have multiples of like various upgrades.

When it comes to "what to do with an over supply of tokens?" something that would be wonderful, if highly unlikely, could be an exchange program by FFG where you could turn in X number of a given token for a more durable acrylic token of the same type. Sadly those really aren't all that much better as worn tokens work almost as well as new token and they are easy to replace. I really wish we could say the same thing about maneuver dials and to a lesser extent base tiles. If you use a ship a lot you put a lot more wear on that all important dial than you do any other component in the game with the possible exceptions of range ruler and maneuver templates; the thing here is that dials are not easily replaceable while the ruler and templates can be.

ID tokens are fine.

if you don't have many you should still have enough for even a swarm of indentical ships by alternating the facing side

So you'd have

white 18 and black 18 for example

ID tokens are fine.

if you don't have many you should still have enough for even a swarm of indentical ships by alternating the facing side

So you'd have

white 18 and black 18 for example

I had an idea awhile ago and I when I get the free time I will implement but I hate ID tokens and have a ridiculous supply of them so I am shelving them all and using colored electrical tape on a set of posts and having a matching tape token on the corresponding card. Less tokens and easily identifiable and gives the pile of extra posts I have a use. :)

You see i like them and as i play a lot of epic i use them to number 'flights'

But i do them like this, say i have two sets of 4 a wings i'll use all black facings and have

21 (as in 2-1)

22

23

24

They would be second flight

then the third flight uses the 3s so

31

32

33

34

even named pilots in flights get a 'call sign'. Just feels a bit star wars to me, you know like 'red five calling in' but instead its 'two four calling in'

ID tokens are fine.

if you don't have many you should still have enough for even a swarm of indentical ships by alternating the facing side

So you'd have

white 18 and black 18 for example

A person needs 8 different ID tokens in standard and possibly more for epic. Note that 'worst case' scenario is the mirror match where one side needs use the dark side and the other the light side to help keep ships straight.

I restrict my use of the "first world problem" meme to those few and narrow instances where the "problem" boils down to something that their own affluence is causing.

Thanks for reminding me, I gotta pick up those mini rubber bands to keep my TL pairs organized.

Do you have a size or link of the bands you use? I hadn't even considered that, and it is a great idea.

Go to the beauty section of Wal-Mart or another department store. The small ones for ponytails work just fine. I've been using the same pack for two years.

Seriously.

I have SO MANY of these stupid things. And the ones I use for the ID tokens to keep them in pairs are so small, if I dropped them it would almost be as bad as dumping confetti on the floor.

I make a kit that has all the tokens I will ever need in a 100 point game. As for extras I just throw them in a bag and save them until I need them. Don't tell me you haven't lost anything like a dice of a maneuver template. You can lose tokens just as easily.

Similar to this, I have a "Battle Bag" with everything I need to play for both sides (Focus/Evades, Shields, Ions, Stress, Critical Hits, Obstacles and Dice) in their own constituent bags . Another thing FFG gives you an over abundance of are small plastic bags. I even have a bag of bags for extra stuff.

Cards are much the same. I have at least one of every set at this point (Imperial, Rebel and Scum) so they start to mount. I just keep them in elastics by upgrade type and then they are all kept together in - wouldn't you know it - another of FFG's many bags.

Coming from 40K, the amount of dials and tokens compared to my 2000 point Imperial Guard army is nothing.

I love collecting tokens. Gotta collect them all.

Removing new tokens from cardboard is way better than popping bubble wrap.

Hmmmm now that is a though call, bubble wrap is sooooooo satisfying but then popping to tokens out....

You know, I think i have the winner

Step one : order descent online

Step two: open package and pop bubble wrap

Step three: smell that new cardboard and plastic smell

Step four: pop out all of them sweet sweet tokens

Step five: ....??

Step six: profit?????

Thanks for reminding me, I gotta pick up those mini rubber bands to keep my TL pairs organized.

Do you have a size or link of the bands you use? I hadn't even considered that, and it is a great idea.

Go to the beauty section of Wal-Mart or another department store. The small ones for ponytails work just fine. I've been using the same pack for two years.

Seriously.

I have SO MANY of these stupid things. And the ones I use for the ID tokens to keep them in pairs are so small, if I dropped them it would almost be as bad as dumping confetti on the floor.

Makes setting up so easy though, right? You don't even have to worry about sequential numbers, just grab as many groups as you need. Especially if your opponent is OCD, having numbers 4, 12 and 25 will really mess with him.

Speak for yourself!

Im 1/2 way to completing a lifesize replica Death Star with all my extra tokens