How did I not see this!

By Lyraeus, in Star Wars: Armada

Alright this is about a couple of things. First off, all of this is from the MC30 preview from FFG's (still waiting in the FAQ to see what that means) Wave 2 Here They Come article. So if they change in the future, we'll it's not my fault.

At the end of this I will post the MC30 preview and let you look at it yourself.

Now AFN is working on an article for this that will go into further depth.

Now first off, I FIRMLY believe that the MC30 is going to be speed 4. This means that the rebels will have the fastest, hardest hitting ship in the small category bar none! I mean the Gladiator has speed 3 normally and can get speed 4 but the shrimp frigate gets it naturally!

Let's move to the upgrades. Lando is interesting to attempt to read. He talks about defense tokens and or some type of token and let's the defender remove more dice. Hard to read bit that's what I can see.

Ordnance Team. It's not a hard leap, it could be tech like Engine Techs but it is a Weapons Team upgrade and gunnery and sensor teams both end in team so you do the math there. This one seems to let you reroll any back dice. It is not long so I don't think you have to spend anything bit it is likely you will.

Redundant (Redundancy) [shields]?

This one is interesting. I can't quite read it but it deals with the status phase and letting you recover what I think is a shield which is pretty good when you have 11 shields (or in space whales case 12).

This next one tossed me for a loop! XV9 Turbolasers (giving credence to the XI7 Turbolasers vs the X17 Turbolasers name) This seems to let you spend a hit (accuracy?) to get a red dice with 2 hits! VSD's, will love this, Space Whales would love this.

Lastly Assault Torpedoes, I have no idea what this black critical does but if I had to guess, it doubles damage on black dice. Or at least deals extra damage.

There looks to be a face down Commander card so this could be a sign of getting 2 commanders but that could be disinformation. . .

No engine techs for this baby, it does not get that slot so no shenanigans of using Nav Teams to get extra Yaw

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That MC30 side arc is just deadly. The question is if they get a title that lets them really put it into effect, like Demolisher.

Did you not see the preview when it went live? Is that the meaning of the title? You missed the whole ship in the preview? I only ask as it's been there since the article went up weeks ago and I'm pretty sure all the available details were in the Wave 2 spoiler thread. :P :D

Or was there something else you missed?

I agree that it is a beast of a little ship, the phrase glass hammer does spring to mind though...

Edited by DWRR

I missed all these hints and wording system they use. As far as I can tell, no one else has noticed these things completly.

I don't know about glass hammer. It has low hull but it has 11 shields. A single engineering command will repair a shield and let you shift more over for defense. A command + token gives you that and another shield. The question is, what does its Yaw values look like. . .

I missed all these hints and wording system they use. As far as I can tell, no one else has noticed these things completely.

I don't know about glass hammer. It has low hull but it has 11 shields. A single engineering command will repair a shield and let you shift more over for defense. A command + token gives you that and another shield. The question is, what does its Yaw values look like. . .

I'm sure there have been several threads around here where people have extrapolated based on existing wording. It does indeed make for some interesting discussions and think tanking.

I must of missed most of those threads. The Wave 2 spoiler one I remember was more dedicated to actual card previews

I missed all these hints and wording system they use. As far as I can tell, no one else has noticed these things completly.

I don't know about glass hammer. It has low hull but it has 11 shields. A single engineering command will repair a shield and let you shift more over for defense. A command + token gives you that and another shield. The question is, what does its Yaw values look like. . .

It could end up being a glass hammer, but depending on it's points cost that could be a good thing!

I missed all these hints and wording system they use. As far as I can tell, no one else has noticed these things completly.

I don't know about glass hammer. It has low hull but it has 11 shields. A single engineering command will repair a shield and let you shift more over for defense. A command + token gives you that and another shield. The question is, what does its Yaw values look like. . .

It could end up being a glass hammer, but depending on it's points cost that could be a good thing!

I think the frigate will be speed 3 based on the dial setting in the picture.

I think the only reason it is dubbed a glass cannon is that lack of a brace token.

However, the mc30 will be a welcome adittion to my Mon Mothma based lists.

Mmmmm, 2 evade tokens :D

(Take that screeeeeed!)

I think the frigate will be speed 3 based on the dial setting in the picture.

I think the frigate will be speed 3 based on the dial setting in the picture.

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I have yet to see any card except the CR90 with a white box in that area that is circled.

You spy with your little eye something that the rest of us missed.

Clever ffg, very clever.

Nice work BTW.

You spy with your little eye something that the rest of us missed.

Clever ffg, very clever.

Nice work BTW.

Edited by Lyraeus

2 Evades with Mon Mothma looks great....but lets not forget that to actually use it's firepower it kind of has to be at a range that Evades dont work.

THATS why it's a glass cannon. It is very hard to kill at range, can dart in, cause a ton of damage.....but it stands a very good chance of summarily exploding right after it does so.

It's basically a cruise missile.

Have you forgotten what Mon mothma does?

(Hint, allows use of evades at black dice range)

Have you forgotten what Mon mothma does?

(Hint, allows use of evades at black dice range)

forcing a re-roll of a die that has an average damage roll of 1 isn't that great.

I would also be surprised if it has 2 redirect and 2 evade. It would be the only small ship to have 4 defense tokens. Its more likely that 1 version has 2 evade and 1 redirect, the other 2 redirect and 1 evade. Unless wave 2 is the wave of defense tokens.

Edited by Darth Ravenor

Considering that it shows 4 tokens I think it will be ok. The thing with it, is that it does not have a brace. Brace is arguably the strongest defense token. Like evades it does better when more damage is being dealt but it likely has 4 tokens in order to represent it's strong shields and it's nimbleness

Have you forgotten what Mon mothma does?

(Hint, allows use of evades at black dice range)

forcing a re-roll of a die that has an average damage roll of 1 isn't that great.

I would also be surprised if it has 2 redirect and 2 evade. It would be the only small ship to have 4 defense tokens. Its more likely that 1 version has 2 evade and 1 redirect, the other 2 redirect and 1 evade. Unless wave 2 is the wave of defense tokens.

Sorry, my fault for not being clear. I did mean a range where evades didnt work well, not at all. Typed in a rush.

As Darth Ravenor says, a single re-roll is pretty weak in all honesty. it means it'll be relying on Redirects, which wont keep it alive long at short range.

I think it's a great ship, but it IS going to be fragile at it's own preferred engagement range.

A single reroll is better than no reroll, also this would allow them to come in at medium range to hit the rear

I will be beyond shocked if the MC30 gets four defensive tokens, not so much in comparison to the CR90 and NebB, but more than the VSD seems wrong.

I think 3 to 4 of them will be like sharks attacking a killer whale (Space Orca?). Some may be killed but the others will get the kill

Yeah, they spend a dice to change another with a face to a hitcrit. You then reroll it, and unless your very unluckly, you change it to a single hit (or a miss)! That means they spent 2 dice to cause around 1 point of damage. Seems advantagious to me!

I guess it is a SCOUT Frigate so a speed of 4 does not seem out of character.

I think it might be the price of 2-3 corvettes, what do you guys think?

No, not really. Like I said, it is not getting any braces. Braces are worth a lot for survivability. So in order to balance that fact when compared to the Gladiator, it gets a second redirect and a second evade. This is to let it survive the rush to get close to launch those torpedoes or missiles. Math wise, it would die several times without those things before it's second attack.