Tactician is arc only.

R3-A2 does not work on both Twin Laser Turret because the droid triggers on the "declare a target." Jonus is any secondary weapon attack and Tactician is in arc after the attack.

When asking the game designers about cluster missiles (which is worded identically to TLT), they say there is only one declare target instance for that attack. Therefore, "declare target" effects like Tarn or R3-A2 would only trigger once (if a astromech carrying ship ever had a missile slot).

I think that this could be as true as the other bolded statement in this thread. You've not quite shown me anything to think you're declaring me the target of the second attack or that you have a choice to do so. Nowhere on the card does it say 'perform this attack twice against the same target'. Because of this either 1) you can shoot 2 people with it since you get the whole attack step and declare target option or 2) you can only shoot 1 target and give them one stress. I don't think that anything makes it clear at all that you are allowed to double stress with just the card itself since if you were allowed to go to the declare target step you could shoot 2 things, and if you have to shoot the same guy you must be skipping that step, as the turret doesn't stop you. It's really unclear what the correct answer is as both arguments are equally as valid.

1) When you use TLT as written, you perform the attack twice (TLT cardtext)

2) When you perform one attack, you resolve the "Declare Target" step (core rules, p10)

Thus, when you use TLT as written, you must resolve the "Declare Target" step twice, because skipping it means you aren't following the rules.

Two "Declare Target" steps = two stressbot triggers.

Unless/until FFG changes a rule or makes a new ruling, this is true.

The "same target or different target" part of my post isn't related to the above rules interaction, it's a response to the forum posters bringing up the Cluster Missiles FAQ entry as precedent.

Their argument:

A) "Cluster Missiles wording is similar to TLT wording." <- True

B) "Cluster Missiles got a rules FAQ entry to limit both attacks to the same target." <- True

C) "Therefore, TLT will be ruled / get a rules FAQ entry to limit both attacks to the same target." <- speculation, but possible

D) "Therefore, [Cluster Missiles / TLT] doesn't declare target twice." <- False!

Here's why:

1) You must follow all of the rules unless a more specific rule supercedes a more general one.

2) The general rule is "Each time you perform an attack, you must resolve a "Declare Target" step."

3) The specific [FAQ ruling] is "Both [Cluster Missiles] attack are against the same target."

Specific trumps general, right? Yes, except not in this case!

The FAQ ruling in 3) doesn't actually say "don't resolve the "Declare Target" step again" (or twice, or whatever); it only says that the target has to be the same! So because it wasn't explicitly superceded, you must still follow the rule, thus you still resolve two "Declare Target" steps.

I think that this could be as true as the other bolded statement in this thread. You've not quite shown me anything to think you're declaring me the target of the second attack or that you have a choice to do so. Nowhere on the card does it say 'perform this attack twice against the same target'. Because of this either 1) you can shoot 2 people with it since you get the whole attack step and declare target option or 2) you can only shoot 1 target and give them one stress. I don't think that anything makes it clear at all that you are allowed to double stress with just the card itself since if you were allowed to go to the declare target step you could shoot 2 things, and if you have to shoot the same guy you must be skipping that step, as the turret doesn't stop you. It's really unclear what the correct answer is as both arguments are equally as valid.

1) When you use TLT as written, you perform the attack twice (TLT cardtext)

2) When you perform one attack, you resolve the "Declare Target" step (core rules, p10)

Thus, when you use TLT as written, you must resolve the "Declare Target" step twice, because skipping it means you aren't following the rules.

Two "Declare Target" steps = two stressbot triggers.

Unless/until FFG changes a rule or makes a new ruling, this is true.

The "same target or different target" part of my post isn't related to the above rules interaction, it's a response to the forum posters bringing up the Cluster Missiles FAQ entry as precedent.

Their argument:

A) "Cluster Missiles wording is similar to TLT wording." <- True

B) "Cluster Missiles got a rules FAQ entry to limit both attacks to the same target." <- True

C) "Therefore, TLT will be ruled / get a rules FAQ entry to limit both attacks to the same target." <- speculation, but possible

D) "Therefore, [Cluster Missiles / TLT] doesn't declare target twice." <- False!

Here's why:

1) You must follow all of the rules unless a more specific rule supercedes a more general one.

2) The general rule is "Each time you perform an attack, you must resolve a "Declare Target" step."

3) The specific [FAQ ruling] is "Both [Cluster Missiles] attack are against the same target."

Specific trumps general, right? Yes, except not in this case!

The FAQ ruling in 3) doesn't actually say "don't resolve the "Declare Target" step again" (or twice, or whatever); it only says that the target has to be the same! So because it wasn't explicitly superceded, you must still follow the rule, thus you still resolve two "Declare Target" steps.

And game designer trumps all! All of this discussion is rendered moot though. It's been all but made official that cards with the "perform this attack twice" wording only go through the Declare Target step once.

Personally, I'm glad. 3 stress this way would be broken. Two is scary, but recoverable. Three, much less so.

Specific trumps general, right? Yes, except not in this case!

The FAQ ruling in 3) doesn't actually say "don't resolve the "Declare Target" step again" (or twice, or whatever); it only says that the target has to be the same! So because it wasn't explicitly superceded, you must still follow the rule, thus you still resolve two "Declare Target" steps.

It does say you skip that step. Those words are not used specifically, but the ruling does not say 'you must choose the same target for both cluster missile attacks' it says 'cluster missile is 2 attacks against the same target'. If what you were suggesting was true that faq would not stop you from shooting two things since the faq doesn't skip the step OR force you to choose the same target explicitly. If you are allowed to proceed to the choose target step for each cluster missile shot, you may choose 2 separate targets since nothing disallows it explicitly. Since you agree that you may not make an attack against 2 different targets you must agree that you do not declare a target for the second attack. If the faq said 'you must choose the same target for both cluster missile attacks' then you would indeed be able to go to the declare target step without being able to choose 2 targets, and tlt would follow that precedent and add 2 stress.

I emailed FFG and asked if there were two declare target steps if I was attacking Tarn with cluster missiles because they have the same triggers as TLT and R3-A2.

No. Since "Cluster Missiles” requires both attacks to be against the same target, only during the first attack does the attacker do the “Declare Target” step. -Frank Brooks

Did the Frank Brooks email happen before or after the FAQ entry? If before, then the email doesn't matter, since the FAQ contradicts it, right?

Did the Frank Brooks email happen before or after the FAQ entry? If before, then the email doesn't matter, since the FAQ contradicts it, right?

I sent the question and received the reply yesterday.

There is a small chance that they'll reconsider before Wave 7 launches, but I think the designers want you to give up your out of arc shots to be capable of double stressing targets, even if that means making some unintuitive rulings.

It has been confirmed that there is only one declare target step for cluster missiles and Tarn (cards that are released and FFG will answer questions about that are written identically to TLT and R3-A2, respectively).

Therefore, the only way to double stress something is with the use of the BTL-A4 title.

TLT alone cannot double stress a target.

I very much hope you are right.

We shall see. There is nothing on the card that requires you to shoot the same target with the TLT.

Also, cluster missiles require you to have and spend a target lock on the target. Allowing you to make the second attack against a different target doesn't make logical sense in this case.

We shall see. There is nothing on the card that requires you to shoot the same target with the TLT.

Also, cluster missiles require you to have and spend a target lock on the target. Allowing you to make the second attack against a different target doesn't make logical sense in this case.

Did the Frank Brooks email happen before or after the FAQ entry? If before, then the email doesn't matter, since the FAQ contradicts it, right?

I sent the question and received the reply yesterday.

There is a small chance that they'll reconsider before Wave 7 launches, but I think the designers want you to give up your out of arc shots to be capable of double stressing targets, even if that means making some unintuitive rulings.

I don't think it would be an unintuitive ruling.

If Cluster Missiles and Twin Laser Turret make two complete, separate attacks, then without an explicit instruction on the card, there's no logical reason they should have to choose the same target. The question is further complicated by the "Attack (Target Lock)" header on Cluster Missiles, and by the fact that a complete, separate attack should also include a step where you choose a weapon. Basically, even if it's clear what "attack" means--all of the steps under the Attack header--it's not necessarily clear what "this attack" means.

And if they're not complete, separate attacks then the ambiguity about declaring targets goes away... but now it's no longer clear what "attack" means.

So it definitely needs to be clarified, and it looks to me like a case where they could call it either way. And because it could plausibly be ruled in either direction, I'd prefer to see them rule it in a way that has a conservative effect on the game--that is, in the way that causes the fewest number of things to blow up.

I can easily imagine a potential FAQ entry could say "When an upgrade card instructs you to make an attack twice, the second attack must be made with the same weapon, and it skips the Declare Target step." It would be a Word of God ruling that doesn't have any antecedent on the card(s) it fixes, but it clarifies the situation completely and keeps Twin Laser Turret + R3-A2 from completely nuking anything that crosses its firing arc.

[EDIT: Late typo fixes.]