If Kuat Systems Engineering built the A-Wings how the heck did the Alliance get their hands on them ? Did they steal them all ? Kuat built ships for the Imperial Navy, ships that were used to fight and kill rebels. I find it hard to believe that Kuat would sell ships to the Alliance and that the Alliance would be willing to buy ships from them.

Technically at the time they start showing up now (Rebels TV series) there is no formal "Rebel Alliance" it's just a bunch of small random covert group fighting for individual reason.

In the case of the A-wings we see in the series specifically, they were likely purchased legally by the Alderaan government, then just dropped from the books, or somehow written off.

If Kuat Systems Engineering built the A-Wings how the heck did the Alliance get their hands on them ? Did they steal them all ? Kuat built ships for the Imperial Navy, ships that were used to fight and kill rebels. I find it hard to believe that Kuat would sell ships to the Alliance and that the Alliance would be willing to buy ships from them.

Technically at the time they start showing up now (Rebels TV series) there is no formal "Rebel Alliance" it's just a bunch of small random covert group fighting for individual reason.

In the case of the A-wings we see in the series specifically, they were likely purchased legally by the Alderaan government, then just dropped from the books, or somehow written off.

Oh. So... The "Rebels" series changed the A-wing manufacturer because of .... what ? I fail to see the importance of this decision (admittedly I've only seen about half of the first episode, couldn't stand the slapstick)

And even if this was the case (your theory about Alderaan), I thought A-wings weren't around until the Battle of Endor ?

If Kuat Systems Engineering built the A-Wings how the heck did the Alliance get their hands on them ? Did they steal them all ? Kuat built ships for the Imperial Navy, ships that were used to fight and kill rebels. I find it hard to believe that Kuat would sell ships to the Alliance and that the Alliance would be willing to buy ships from them.

Technically at the time they start showing up now (Rebels TV series) there is no formal "Rebel Alliance" it's just a bunch of small random covert group fighting for individual reason.

In the case of the A-wings we see in the series specifically, they were likely purchased legally by the Alderaan government, then just dropped from the books, or somehow written off.

Oh. So... The "Rebels" series changed the A-wing manufacturer because of .... what ? I fail to see the importance of this decision (admittedly I've only seen about half of the first episode, couldn't stand the slapstick)

And even if this was the case (your theory about Alderaan), I thought A-wings weren't around until the Battle of Endor ?

They changed the manufacturer because... they did. If there's a real reason it might have to do with something in Season 2 maybe... Or maybe they just thought Kuat was a cool sounding builder, who knows?

Rebels (which does seem to be slowly getting more serious) has Bail Organa's rebel group cruising around in A-wings with the blue concept art paint scheme. So thanks to the canon wipe, and Rebels being new canon, the A-wing is no longer an Endor-only item (though technically even in EU there were plenty of times the A-wing showed up pre-Yavin).

If Kuat Systems Engineering built the A-Wings how the heck did the Alliance get their hands on them ? Did they steal them all ? Kuat built ships for the Imperial Navy, ships that were used to fight and kill rebels. I find it hard to believe that Kuat would sell ships to the Alliance and that the Alliance would be willing to buy ships from them.

Technically at the time they start showing up now (Rebels TV series) there is no formal "Rebel Alliance" it's just a bunch of small random covert group fighting for individual reason.

In the case of the A-wings we see in the series specifically, they were likely purchased legally by the Alderaan government, then just dropped from the books, or somehow written off.

Oh. So... The "Rebels" series changed the A-wing manufacturer because of .... what ? I fail to see the importance of this decision (admittedly I've only seen about half of the first episode, couldn't stand the slapstick)

And even if this was the case (your theory about Alderaan), I thought A-wings weren't around until the Battle of Endor ?

They changed the manufacturer because... they did. If there's a real reason it might have to do with something in Season 2 maybe... Or maybe they just thought Kuat was a cool sounding builder, who knows?

Rebels (which does seem to be slowly getting more serious) has Bail Organa's rebel group cruising around in A-wings with the blue concept art paint scheme. So thanks to the canon wipe, and Rebels being new canon, the A-wing is no longer an Endor-only item (though technically even in EU there were plenty of times the A-wing showed up pre-Yavin).

Oh well. I think I'm getting to old for stuff like this. I can see adding new and exciting stuff to the fantastic universe that is Star Wars, but changing already established facts really makes me shudder (even pointless and minor stuff like this apparently). I guess Lucas' megalomania and the move to Disney has just been really hard on me :'(

I guess it really doesn't make much of a difference, it just feels like it's the beginning of the end. I think I'll stick with "my" old picture of the Star Wars universe from now on

I can partially agree with this sentiment. Why change stuff unless there is a good reason. Just willy-nilly altering things for no new advantage? They could have been flying around in Y-Wings, Z-95s, or some other newly created craft without changing what has come before. Now, if there was a very good, cool reason to change the A-wing EU history, so be it. But, when there isn't a net gain why confuse things and irk fans?

Examples: Altering the history of the Alliance symbol (Rebels) or how the Death Star plans were stolen (Rogue One). There are good reasons to toss the EU here for these new stories to work. But, tossing the EU just because you want a cool snubfighter to show up early during your new show? Yeah, no. The net gain for new against the loss from EU is a wash.

The A-wing's not a great example anyway, because it's always been borked. It showed up in Pre-Endor mats often enough they had to make the "Spearhead" thing to get the Otaku off their backs. Even that was a half measure as the A-wing and Spearhead were still largely interchangeable, and no effort was made to really rectify it, largely because the larger audience doesn't give a rats if the A-wing was on the market before Endor or not.

Simple truth is Lucasfilm, both before and after Disney, cares little for buttons and bootlaces when there's movies to make and merchandise to sell.

I'll be honest. A-Wings are cool. That is probably why they used them in Rebels. They look awesome.

I'm glad they used them, even as a huge EU nerd, the EU surrounding the A-Wing creation has ZERO impact on the universe in any meaningful way, so what difference does it make to jettison it? I mean, it being built earlier means what to the overall universe? Like what concrete difference does it make? Especially considering there were so many contradictions in the EU about when they were manufactured ALREADY.

So Rebels used the cool looking ship. Because its cool and iconic and the only people who care are beancounters.

Examples: Altering the history of the Alliance symbol (Rebels) or how the Death Star plans were stolen (Rogue One).

What ......................

I'll be honest. A-Wings are cool. That is probably why they used them in Rebels. They look awesome.

I'm glad they used them, even as a huge EU nerd, the EU surrounding the A-Wing creation has ZERO impact on the universe in any meaningful way, so what difference does it make to jettison it? I mean, it being built earlier means what to the overall universe? Like what concrete difference does it make? Especially considering there were so many contradictions in the EU about when they were manufactured ALREADY.

So Rebels used the cool looking ship. Because its cool and iconic and the only people who care are beancounters.

Sure. Still doesn't explain how they got their hands on them since Kuat practically built the whole Imperial Navy (a pretty big deal, canon-wise, since I find it hard to believe they would ever sell ships to both the Alliance AND the Empire) Yeah, the alliance might have procured them before they were turned against the Empire, I guess we'll have to wait and see how they'll explain that. I would also like to know why they even designed and started production of the A-wing, I mean who was the intended buyer ?

Examples: Altering the history of the Alliance symbol (Rebels) or how the Death Star plans were stolen (Rogue One).

What ......................

Huh?

If the "What" meant you didn't understand this - The Alliance Starbird symbol already has an explanation in EU (Force Unleashed). We are inevitably going to see a new explanation in Rebels due to what we've seen thus far. EU also has several stolen Death Star plans stories. I'm fine with Disney tossing these to the curb at the cost to EU since we are probably going to get something much better to replace it. The EU sacrifice is worth it.

Tossing the entire EU A-wing backstory to ONLY have it be able to show up early in Rebels I'm not as keen on.

Examples: Altering the history of the Alliance symbol (Rebels) or how the Death Star plans were stolen (Rogue One).

What ......................

Huh?

I didn't know that was a thing. I just heard about "Rogue One" but was somehow thinking (hoping) it would follow "canon".

It is following canon.

Oh well. I think I'm getting to old for stuff like this. I can see adding new and exciting stuff to the fantastic universe that is Star Wars, but changing already established facts really makes me shudder (even pointless and minor stuff like this apparently). I guess Lucas' megalomania and the move to Disney has just been really hard on me :'(

I guess it really doesn't make much of a difference, it just feels like it's the beginning of the end. I think I'll stick with "my" old picture of the Star Wars universe from now on

You need to be a Doctor Who fan - where not only does the BBC not give two rats asses about what is or is not canon, the show is actively rewriting that canon to suit the needs the story! Last time lord? Plenty of time lords! Just a few Time Lords! Was UNIT working with the 3rd Doctor in the 70's or 80s? How many times the Lost City of Atlantis has been destroyed? Three. Origin stories for the Daleks? Two (with potentially another one coming up in the new season, if the spoilers are to be believed). Loch Ness Monsters? Two (not including the ACTUAL Loch Ness Monster that is probably out there too). Final Destruction of the entire Dalek race? At least five.

Once you've gotten used to the show's Negative Continuity, you will no longer care what Star Wars will throw at you.

I think the reason they used A-Wings in Rebels, or the forerunner to it if you want to be hog-tied to EU in all its splendid nonsense and crapalicious silliness, is that compared to the Y-Wing and the X-Wing it's smaller, more fragile, similar to the TIE, it puts them on more even ground with the Empire. Both have fast, fragile starfighters, where the X-Wings and Y-Wings could take a lot more of a beating and could cause a lot more damage on larger targets. How it's portrayed in the season 2 premiere is pretty much like a small, fast, arguably cheap starfighter with cannons (I can't recall if there's any missiles fired from them, so we don't know if they have them either...)

As for the rebel symbol, the TFU story line was pretty crap - I mean, it was a fun game, but I'm head over heels that it's not considered canon. I'm looking forward to a better explanation for that symbol. Hopefully I'll get it too

Same with Rogue One. I enjoyed Dark Forces and liked its story, but I'm glad we're getting a new story. New stories are ace.

I know I started this thread, but it was mainly intended as a joke. As if the manufacturer and timeline of these things really matters in the big scheme of things.

The A-Wing and B-Wing backstories were a mess in the old EU/Legends. The EU had to invent older lookalike fighters because WEG for reasons unknown decided to ignore the Droids cartoon which showed A-Wings and B-Wings in use long before Yavin. I don't mind the idea of Rogue One I'm just worried that it will be so focused on the ground team that the space battle which is raging at the same time will be mostly ignored like how ROTS pretty much ignored everything during the Battle to Coruscant except what Anakin and Obiwan were doing.

I don't mind the idea of Rogue One I'm just worried that it will be so focused on the ground team that the space battle which is raging at the same time will be mostly ignored

"Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire" I suppose this may have lots of interpretations, but yes it does seem to imply a space battle was a key moment. This line from the opening scrawl didn't say, "A commando team, striking from a hidden base"... The title is Rogue One, which may not, but probably has a connection to canon's later Rogue Group, a fighter squadron. Add that it's a Star Wars movie and I don't think you have to worry about lack of a large space battle being important to the mission.

I hope you're right.

Not really since so far there has been nothing canon set in the same time frame as Rebels for it to clash with. Even Legends didn't go into much detail on that period outside of some novels focused on Han and a few bits from the Millennium Falcon novel and Rebels isn't likely to clash with those much. .

George Lucas never cared about EU/RPG/Comics/Video Game canon. The Prequel movies proved that by having a Clone Wars which was completely different from anything that was written.

Well, maybe not so with the video games. But they had to be retconned in by the EU stuff writers.

Actually the EU released prior to the PT never said much about the Clone Wars other then making the assumption that the Clones were fighting the Republic and that there was a noticeable gap between the end of the wars and the destruction of the Jedi. Oh and I think a few battle locations were mentioned.

What you really want to do is take all of the Expanded Uni.. Erm, Legends and dump it. If you haven't seen it on screen it's at best subject to change at worst invalid.

Honestly trying to hold an RPG campaign strictly to canon is IMO crazy. Especially currently when we know so little of what happened in the canon universe.

What you really want to do is take all of the Expanded Uni.. Erm, Legends and dump it. If you haven't seen it on screen it's at best subject to change at worst invalid.

The problem with that us that I like parts of Legends at least as much or even more than Canon. Also if I did what you suggested I might as well take my RPG books and throw them straight in the trash, because a good chunk of them are based on Legends!

More importantly have they changed the origin of the X-Wing?

Don't know about you, but that was Incom's biggest addition to the Rebel Alliance!

You know there's nothing to say that Kuat secured the plans to the A Wing as part of their influence through being the main builder of Imperial warships but that the true designers escaped Imperial capture or assassination bringing the designs to them thereby making both claims true!

Just because the Empire has Kuat listed as the creator of that ship design doesn't mean they actually were only that's what's been recognised.

No one explained the back story for Phoenix Squadron yet have they?

They could have been using the original prototype fighters secured when whoever brought the designs was rescued by the Rebels.

Is General Dodonna even mentioned anymore as far as Star Wars Rebels are concerned?

They haven't talked about the origin of the fighters at all beyond naming the company that produced them AFAIK

More importantly have they changed the origin of the X-Wing?

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they do.

Rebels and Rogue One make it pretty clear they are more then willing to rewrite stuff like that. I could easily see Ezra and pals getting in on that action... though I could also just as easily see X-wings just showing up one day without any explanation or note worthy reaction.