AoR page 266 lists Incom/Alliance Underground Engineering as the manufacturer of the A-Wing...

Whereas the Star Wars Rebels says Kuat Systems Engineering.

What to do!1!!! WAAH!

Personally, I like the new canon.

That being said, use whatever suits your game, which I'm sure you know.

I do wonder if a second edition core book(s) will be forthcoming.

AoR page 266 lists Incom/Alliance Underground Engineering as the manufacturer of the A-Wing...

Whereas the Star Wars Rebels says Kuat Systems Engineering.

What to do!1!!! WAAH!

1) Excellent, no more listening to people whine about the "Spearhead." It was an A-wing when I flew it in the 90's, it's an A-wing now.

2)Why not......

"The A-wing was originally developed under the Spearhead Contest, a competition held between starship manufactures as a way to drum up interest in regional contracts for craft outside the dominant SFS TIE series. While the competition worked, the A-wing saw limited purchases due to it's relatively higher price tag, and Kuat's existing dominance of the warship market. Taken into use by several different rebels cells that had access to it, when the rebellion transitioned from independent groups to an allied force years later, Incom engineers and alliance technicians were able to reconstruct the craft using a combination of easily acquired aftermarket components and custom fabricated elements made from materials the alliance had on hand. While both versions of the A-wing are slightly different in performance and appearance, the overall operational and design differences are negligible, allowing both builds to be referred to as "A-wings."

I hope that's an error, or fluff I wrote yesterday about my new character turning down a highly paid graduate position at SFS to join the Alliance and help design the A-Wing's computer systems under Dodonna will have to be retconned haha.

I can't be the only one who saw the thread title and thought: "Of course Über can't use A-Wings. They have only one seat."

Well the Databank says that the A-Wings from Return of the Jedi were a newer model extensively modified from the design seen on Rebels to get more speed out of them. So maybe Alliance Underground Engineering did the modification work? Incom being involve with the early A-Wing design was a modification of the story as well. Originally they didn't get involved with the A-Wing until after Endor when they started work on a new A-Wing model where the guns could swivel and fire on targets in the aft arc.

Well the Databank says that the A-Wings from Return of the Jedi were a newer model extensively modified from the design seen on Rebels to get more speed out of them. So maybe Alliance Underground Engineering did the modification work? Incom being involve with the early A-Wing design was a modification of the story as well. Originally they didn't get involved with the A-Wing until after Endor when they started work on a new A-Wing model where the guns could swivel and fire on targets in the aft arc.

I would agree with this idea as we've had real world examples of where aircraft, in WW2 for example, were given upgrades as the conflict went on to improve things like speed and armament. When it first came out the P-51 had an Allison engine, which was crap. However, once they installed the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine, the Mustang became the premier escort fighter for the USAAF in the war.

True and there's at least one example in the new Star Wars canon as well namely the Y-Wing. Not to mention several examples in the Eu/Lengends

Hmm... Age of Rebellion was published before there were A-wings in SW: Rebels, right?

Also, as I don't have AoR myself, could you look at the back of the core book?

If it doesn't say Disney, then it probably wasn't included in the latest canon updates.

And even if it does, the RPG doesn't count as canon so anything changed by the Movies/TV-shows/Books should count as canon instead.

In other words, Kuat was the designer of the A-wing... Incom/Underground Alliance simply built them

The books do indeed say "Disney" on the back. I am inclined to agree with Ghost and Zathras on the whole "continually developing" line of logic. Therefore your background of going into the rebellion is totally legit.

Considering FFG states this on the A-Wing package:

Conceived by General Dodonna, the RZ-1 A-wing interceptor proved its worth by crippling Star Destroyers during the Battle of Endor. Now this highly maneuverable starfighter adds another exciting dimension to Rebel squadrons in the Star Wars: X-Wing™ Miniatures Game. The A-Wing™ Expansion Pack introduces one A-wing miniature with four pilots and five upgrades. Only the most talented pilots belong in an A-wing cockpit as they push the starfighter’s limits in the galaxy’s deadliest dogfights!

According to Wookieepedia, General Jan Dodonna redesigned the R-22 Spearhead into the A-Wing, with the first prototypes being seen just before the Battle of Yavin. I am sure Kuat Systems Engineering built the R-22 Spearhead, and that when he defected to the Rebellion (after his assassination was ordered) before the Battle of Yavin he was able to modify the plans into what would become the A-Wing.

AoR page 266 lists Incom/Alliance Underground Engineering as the manufacturer of the A-Wing...

Whereas the Star Wars Rebels says Kuat Systems Engineering.

What to do!1!!! WAAH!

The books do indeed say "Disney" on the back.

I think and have said previously it's going to be more of the same. Give it a few years and we will once again have a mix of great and horrible stuff all with a new gravy of contradictions poured over the top of it all.

It's inevitable we will have new contradictions with new explanations to explain away the contradictions. The SW line of products is way too large (a good thing) for a Disney canon council to ensure there will be no contradictions in Disney products, ever.

AoR page 266 lists Incom/Alliance Underground Engineering as the manufacturer of the A-Wing...

Whereas the Star Wars Rebels says Kuat Systems Engineering.

What to do!1!!! WAAH!

The books do indeed say "Disney" on the back.

I think and have said previously it's going to be more of the same. Give it a few years and we will once again have a mix of great and horrible stuff all with a new gravy of contradictions poured over the top of it all.

It's inevitable we will have new contradictions with new explanations to explain away the contradictions. The SW line of products is way too large (a good thing) for a Disney canon council to ensure there will be no contradictions in Disney products, ever.

If nothing else, the fact that everything in Rebels counts as Canon will mess up all kinds of stuff.

Not really since so far there has been nothing canon set in the same time frame as Rebels for it to clash with. Even Legends didn't go into much detail on that period outside of some novels focused on Han and a few bits from the Millennium Falcon novel and Rebels isn't likely to clash with those much. .

Not really since so far there has been nothing canon set in the same time frame as Rebels for it to clash with. Even Legends didn't go into much detail on that period outside of some novels focused on Han and a few bits from the Millennium Falcon novel and Rebels isn't likely to clash with those much. .

It doesn't have to be set in the same time period to clash. This thread itself is an example.

True but it isn't likely to happen to often.

The fact remains regardless as to the date the A-wing was originally introduced, whether or not those were the A-wings developed and modified by Dodonna for the rebellions use gives us enough wiggle room so that both statements can be true..

The A-wing was created by KSE and then further developed into the top of the line, bleeding edge speed freak fighter we know and love, by Dodonna and the rebel Incom team

Not really since so far there has been nothing canon set in the same time frame as Rebels for it to clash with. Even Legends didn't go into much detail on that period outside of some novels focused on Han and a few bits from the Millennium Falcon novel and Rebels isn't likely to clash with those much. .

I'm more referring to the fact that the plot of the episodes (regardless of if you like them or not) are made for children and as such will contain not only alot of (IMHO unnecessary) inclusions of characters from the movies pretty much shoehorned in and at times almost unbelievably naive depictions of characters and their abilities (fx. the fact that two stormtroopers were fooled into not only opening the cell, but also walking all the way to the opposite side of the cell from the door, by the kids fake cough in one of the earliest episodes).

That kind of stuff is now canon.

PS. I'd bet actual money that Chewbacca will show up in season 2 or 3 at the latest. So far C-3PO, R2D2, Vader, Tarkin, Lando, Obi-Wan, Yoda and Ahsoka have all turned up. Solo will be hard since they probably can't get Ford to voice him, but Chewie is almost a guarantee... wasn't he already in Clone Wars btw?

Oh and Jabba... they're probably gonna run into Jabba as well... and probably Boba Fett too.

It's on of the things I hate most about not only the EU, but the "made-for-kids" TV shows... They alwasy shoehorn in characters from the movies. The galaxy is vast with more than 100 quadrillion inhabitants, and yet we keep running into the same dozen characters over and over again...

From the Databank (official Star Wars site)

A-WING FIGHTER

With its sleek arrowhead shape, streamlined cockpit, and massive twin engines, the A-wing starfighter suggests raw speed even when parked within Alliance hangar bays. Faster than even the TIE interceptor, the A-wing is well suited for lightning strikes. It sports a pair of pivoting laser cannons on each wingtip. The starfighters of Green Squadron, which flew in the Battle of Endor, were made up of A-wing starfighters.

THE DARK TIMES

The A-wing was a wedge-shaped strike fighter that took design inspiration from Republic starfighters of the Clone Wars. One of the earliest rebel units to use these quick, powerful fighters was Phoenix Squadron, whose pilots would tragically meet their match. Several of the fighters entered the fray when the evil Sith Lord Darth Vader tracked the Ghost crew to the rebel fleet. The Imperial enforcer methodically wiped them out, showing expert piloting skills and a ruthlessness that the A-wing pilots could not equal.

GALACTIC CIVIL WAR

As the Empire ramped up production of both standard TIE fighters and experimental models, the Alliance responded by seeking a starfighter that could outfly them all. Alliance techs turned to the A-wing, which had proved capable in early battles against Imperial forces. Refinements made by rebel techs stripped away the A-wing's shields, armor and heavy weapons in favor of raw speed, resulting in a fighter that was tough to maintain and fly, but could outrun even a TIE interceptor. These reworked A-wings played a large role in the Battle of Endor, the rebels' greatest victory over the Empire.

So... It seems that the endor A-wings had no missiles, or shields.

Well that's interesting.....

AoR page 266 lists Incom/Alliance Underground Engineering as the manufacturer of the A-Wing...

Whereas the Star Wars Rebels says Kuat Systems Engineering.

What to do!1!!! WAAH!

Easy....both companies produce the A-Wing. As a real world example, the F4F Wildcat of WW2 fame was produced by both Grumman and General Motors.

I thought the R-22 should be a Hoersch-Kessel design like the R-41 Starchaser and R-60 T-Wing. Of course I see the RZ-1 as just the latest in a long line of A-wings dating back to the Aurek-class of the Old Republic.

I don't think the EU/Legends ever actually said who manufactured the R-22. The Wookieepedia article's infobox lists the earliest fleet seen using it as the manufacturer but we know that fleet primarily used two models of fighter and we know they didn't design the other I suspect their R-22s were bought from an outside source as well.

AoR page 266 lists Incom/Alliance Underground Engineering as the manufacturer of the A-Wing...

Whereas the Star Wars Rebels says Kuat Systems Engineering.

What to do!1!!! WAAH!

Easy....both companies produce the A-Wing. As a real world example, the F4F Wildcat of WW2 fame was produced by both Grumman and General Motors.

Ah, let the NEW retcon's begin!

If Kuat Systems Engineering built the A-Wings how the heck did the Alliance get their hands on them ? Did they steal them all ? Kuat built ships for the Imperial Navy, ships that were used to fight and kill rebels. I find it hard to believe that Kuat would sell ships to the Alliance and that the Alliance would be willing to buy ships from them.