I know there's been some debate as to whether the A-Wings featured in Star Wars Rebels season 2 are a different ship than the ones in X-Wing or whatever.

The Rebels Facebook page posted this image.

So that's that.

why would Kuat drive yards build the thing? There the ones that make the Star destroyers, the TIE fighters, all the variants as well. The Empire has a very strict loyalty program as well. I doubt Kuat Drive yards can sell to both sides without someone getting force choked.

of course we are only 1 episode into the new season, so maybe this will be explained somehow.

Also, does this mean we can get a PS 2 "phoenix squadron" pilot for the A-wing?

Clearly that's a typo.

The RZ-1 wasn't around pre Yaven.

This is clearly just a prototype. And prototype craft tend to get a different designation from the production model

Look at the T1E1 for an eg, it's the prototype of the M6 heavy tank, looks very similar but is not the same vehicle

The canon is dead, long live the canon.

why would Kuat drive yards build the thing? There the ones that make the Star destroyers, the TIE fighters, all the variants as well. The Empire has a very strict loyalty program as well. I doubt Kuat Drive yards can sell to both sides without someone getting force choked.

of course we are only 1 episode into the new season, so maybe this will be explained somehow.

Also, does this mean we can get a PS 2 "phoenix squadron" pilot for the A-wing?

Walex Blissex one of the designers was from Kuat Drive Yards prior to defecting, so Kuat makes some sense, even though they were in the business of making Star Destroyers.

The makers of the TIE fighters were Sienar Fleet Systems, not Kuat.

why would Kuat drive yards build the thing? There the ones that make the Star destroyers, the TIE fighters, all the variants as well. The Empire has a very strict loyalty program as well. I doubt Kuat Drive yards can sell to both sides without someone getting force choked.

of course we are only 1 episode into the new season, so maybe this will be explained somehow.

Also, does this mean we can get a PS 2 "phoenix squadron" pilot for the A-wing?

Walex Blissex one of the designers was from Kuat Drive Yards prior to defecting, so Kuat makes some sense, even though they were in the business of making Star Destroyers.

The makers of the TIE fighters were Sienar Fleet Systems, not Kuat.

None of that is canon anymore.

Until something contradicts it more definitively, this is now canon.

Sienar Fleet Systems is cannon and since Kuat Systems Engineering is canon now as well I'm pretty sure that KDY is too.

Though according to the databank the A-Wings from Rebels aren't the same model as the ones from Return of the Jedi. At some point between Rebels and Return of the Jedi the design is extensively modified to increase its speed at the cost of firepower and defenses.

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Edit: Also even in Legends KDY was playing all sides selling ships under the table to anyone with the money to pay enough to make it worth KDY's efforts, and having a subsidiary which built warships and yachts that were warships in all but name for the Hutts so what's so odd about them selling some fighters to rebels? If they even know that the fighters are going to rebels. In EU/Legends two of the ways the rebels obtained ships were by purchasing them through dummy corporations or stealing them from planets and groups friendly to the rebellion. Perhaps these were obtained in a similar fashion.

Walex Blissex actually appeared in Return of the Jedi so he is canon and I doubt they would have the early A-Wings be built by the branch of KDY he worked for then cut him out of the design.

People seriously have a problem with KSE/KDY making a wedge-shaped starship?

I mean, it's not like they make Star Destroyers or Delta-6/7/7B Aethersprite starfighters or anything.



I would say that KSE simply kept working on the Aethersprite and came up with a model more modestly appointed and geared toward planetary and system defense forces and corporate security forces.

People seriously have a problem with KSE/KDY making a wedge-shaped starship?

I mean, it's not like they make Star Destroyers or Delta-6/7/7B Aethersprite starfighters or anything.

I would say that KSE simply kept working on the Aethersprite and came up with a model more modestly appointed and geared toward planetary and system defense forces and corporate security forces.

This. It's what I was thinking too.

Sounds like KSE is part of the larger KDY and sells mostly to system and sector governments while KDY sells to the Empire and makes big warships and assault vehicles like walkers. I guess KFC might be a other subsidiary.

I would venture a guess that the RZ-1 will now be considered the 'prototype' while the R-22 will be the production model later introduced. And I'm glad LFL has taken the opportunity to clean up inconsistencies in the canon and tie together the prequel starships with their obvious design relatives.

" Walex Blissex actually appeared in Return of the Jedi" ...

I know star wars a bit, but not familiar with this character, or where he was at in the film .. any clarification please? I'm not doubting you, I'm just not familiar ... And I did recently read the three bounty hunter books, which had some interesting stuff on Kuat of Kuat and all that stuff..

People seriously have a problem with KSE/KDY making a wedge-shaped starship?

I mean, it's not like they make Star Destroyers or Delta-6/7/7B Aethersprite starfighters or anything.

I would say that KSE simply kept working on the Aethersprite and came up with a model more modestly appointed and geared toward planetary and system defense forces and corporate security forces.

This. It's what I was thinking too.

Sounds like KSE is part of the larger KDY and sells mostly to system and sector governments while KDY sells to the Empire and makes big warships and assault vehicles like walkers. I guess KFC might be a other subsidiary.

I would venture a guess that the RZ-1 will now be considered the 'prototype' while the R-22 will be the production model later introduced. And I'm glad LFL has taken the opportunity to clean up inconsistencies in the canon and tie together the prequel starships with their obvious design relatives.

Maybe the model at Endor will be the RZ-2 or the RZ-1B. Or something.

" Walex Blissex actually appeared in Return of the Jedi" ...

I know star wars a bit, but not familiar with this character, or where he was at in the film .. any clarification please? I'm not doubting you, I'm just not familiar ... And I did recently read the three bounty hunter books, which had some interesting stuff on Kuat of Kuat and all that stuff..

He isn't named on screen. He's one of the guys in Home One's briefing room,

I suppose they might overwrite him or his role in the A-Wing's design but the fact that the A-Wing was made by a company he was established as having worked for in Legends means I'll doubt them writing him out until something firmly stating he had nothing to do with the A-Wing's design, or naming a different designer comes out.

Actually this fits in well with old-canon, because the A-wings were all custom-built. No two should look the same really, so why couldn't these be RZ-1 Interceptors?

Nice: Its the Prototype paintjob!

Not nice: Kuat?? NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!! Shouldn't those little buggers be built like by Mon Calamari somewhere in the Outer Rim or even Wild Space or something like this?

WHY would the Empire allow Kuat to build A-Wings for the rebels?! **** you, Disney! LOL

Possible answers

1: The Empire doesn't know Kuat is building A-Wings for rebels

2 Kuat doesn't know that it is building A-Wings for rebels. They could be purchased by a rebel front company or by planetary defense forces then given to the rebels.

3: The Empire doesn't dare risk retaliating and driving Kuat into full scale rebellion. I'm sure Kuat turning against the Empire is high on the list of worst nightmare scenarios of many Imperial officers and officials.

Honestly I don't see why anyone is so shocked at the idea of a major corporation hedging its bets and making sure that in the unlikely event the rebels win they have a reason to not hate Kuat. In Legends there were several major shipwrights supplying ships to the Alliance under the table and others, including KDY, supplying ships to both sides of the Clone Wars. Why should the new canon be different?

Possible answers

1: The Empire doesn't know Kuat is building A-Wings for rebels

2 Kuat doesn't know that it is building A-Wings for rebels. They could be purchased by a rebel front company or by planetary defense forces then given to the rebels.

3: The Empire doesn't dare risk retaliating and driving Kuat into full scale rebellion. I'm sure Kuat turning against the Empire is high on the list of worst nightmare scenarios of many Imperial officers and officials.

Honestly I don't see why anyone is so shocked at the idea of a major corporation hedging its bets and making sure that in the unlikely event the rebels win they have a reason to not hate Kuat. In Legends there were several major shipwrights supplying ships to the Alliance under the table and others, including KDY, supplying ships to both sides of the Clone Wars. Why should the new canon be different?

The foul stench of treachery and corruption.

There is no reasoning why the Rebels could win.

I'm informing Imperial Security Bureau. They will take care about this incident.

why would Kuat drive yards build the thing? There the ones that make the Star destroyers, the TIE fighters, all the variants as well. The Empire has a very strict loyalty program as well. I doubt Kuat Drive yards can sell to both sides without someone getting force choked.

Kuat Drive Yards are really, really angry about losing the contract for Imperial Fighter craft to Sienar?

why would Kuat drive yards build the thing? There the ones that make the Star destroyers, the TIE fighters, all the variants as well. The Empire has a very strict loyalty program as well. I doubt Kuat Drive yards can sell to both sides without someone getting force choked.

Kuat Drive Yards are really, really angry about losing the contract for Imperial Fighter craft to Sienar?

They see a chance to make money and know their buddy Palpatine will cover for them.

Possible answers

1: The Empire doesn't know Kuat is building A-Wings for rebels

2 Kuat doesn't know that it is building A-Wings for rebels. They could be purchased by a rebel front company or by planetary defense forces then given to the rebels.

3: The Empire doesn't dare risk retaliating and driving Kuat into full scale rebellion. I'm sure Kuat turning against the Empire is high on the list of worst nightmare scenarios of many Imperial officers and officials.

Honestly I don't see why anyone is so shocked at the idea of a major corporation hedging its bets and making sure that in the unlikely event the rebels win they have a reason to not hate Kuat. In Legends there were several major shipwrights supplying ships to the Alliance under the table and others, including KDY, supplying ships to both sides of the Clone Wars. Why should the new canon be different?

The foul stench of treachery and corruption.

There is no reasoning why the Rebels could win.

I'm informing Imperial Security Bureau. They will take care about this incident.

I would love to see the results of ISB actually acting against KDY. I imagine that the agents that did so would be in for a long, and shocking conversation with an annoyed Palpatine.

Could be kuat systems engineering same as the x-wing is built by incom Corp; before it was nationalised by the empire, rogue incom engineers stole the x-wing plans and gave it to the rebels, but the manufacturer is a (nominally) imperial company.

So I don't think I would read into KSE being the manufacturer; considering the size and scope of most companies in star wars, a skilled accountant could be skimming off the top to fund a tiny out-of-the-way shipyard that outputs maybe a have dozen fighters a month.

Though according to the databank the A-Wings from Rebels aren't the same model as the ones from Return of the Jedi. At some point between Rebels and Return of the Jedi the design is extensively modified to increase its speed at the cost of firepower and defenses.

Then they should have had the good sense to at least give it a different model number.

Would it have been so hard to change the RZ-1 to something else?

Yup here goes Disney screwing around with the canon again....

Yup here goes Disney screwing around with the canon again....

Change for the sake of change.

Yup here goes Disney screwing around with the canon again....

Change for the sake of change.

As long as they don't put in something absolutely and utterly unbelievable weird stuff like lightsaber crossguards or white solar panels on black Tie Fighters, everything is alright.

For gods sake this is so unthinkable that it will never happen.

Yup here goes Disney screwing around with the canon again....

Change for the sake of change.

As long as they don't put in something absolutely and utterly unbelievable weird stuff like lightsaber crossguards or white solar panels on black Tie Fighters, everything is alright.

For gods sake this is so unthinkable that it will never happen.

Yea they said they'd use the best of the EU, not the obscure crap, never gonna happen.

It can also be that the shape for the awing has been simplified for the cartoon. Also star destroyers look different with those long "necks", and tie fighters have pylons that are different to the well known ones. The show uses an stylized and simplified art direction.