So with Worlds being sold out so fast.

I wonder should FFG adopt a ranking system or Playoff system for X-wing. Each player would earn points for each tournament they attend. These points along with other rewards, would allow them to attend higher tournaments.

This is in no way the final breakdown, just an idea for using points so the best players get to attend the tournaments they should. Each player must enter with a userid and get a tournament id which will follow them for the entire season. I look forward to advice and helping flesh out this project.

Store Champions, get 2 point

1-8 get 1 point

Region Champions, get 2 point

1-8 get 1 point

When attending Nationals you have two groups.

Winners: Entry based on Points and if you are in this group you cannot play in the wild card group) The people with the most points get automatic entries into the Winners group, unless they decline.

When attending Worlds you have two groups.

Winners: Entry based on Points and if you are in this group you cannot play in the wild card group) The people with the most points get automatic entries into the Winners group, unless they decline.

This would allow lots of players and also ensure the top players get to the proper tournaments.

What does everyone think of this idea.

Ha... No.

Why would they want to scare people off the same way that ETC Warhammer players act?

No.

The game doesn't need to be made elitist, ranking people like that. Fly casual. If you missed out on a ticket for worlds, bad luck, try again next year.

No.

No

Yes?

I second the no

I do think that in the future for worlds, if they're going to cap it as low as this year, they should do a lottery. Put a code on the back of the bye cards that you can use when you register for the lottery. 3 additional entries for a store championship. 20 for a regional and 50 for a national.

No.

They just need to make World's bigger. Some world-class players can't make it out to more than 1 big tourney a year.

Not saying I support this, but if you were to do it that way, it should be based upon persons attending and placement.

For example, winning a 8 player SC should grant, let's say 8 points. Winning a 32 player SC may grant 32 points, and coming in top 8 grants 8 points. That way you're not giving an advantage to those who live in a small area. You may be giving an advantage to those in an larger area since the total is higher, but in the above example, there are 7 players with less than 8 points in the small tourney area, while there are 24 players with less than 8 points in the large tourney area.

Also, you should have 1 SC slot, 1 Regional slot, and 1 Nats slot. This way you can't go to 10 SCs and have a high score. This prevents something like what happened in tennis a few years ago, where the #1 (women's) player in the ranking was far from even the top 10 actual players by skill.

Yes?

Seconded

No.

The game doesn't need to be made elitist, ranking people like that. Fly casual. If you missed out on a ticket for worlds, bad luck, try again next year.

The events mentioned are premier events, not casual. Fly casual doesn't apply here.

So tired of that being thrown around to shame competitive players for actually wanting to win a sanctioned event.

I would say they should accommodate the size of the community instead of making it exclusive. This game is about community and fun, making events cater to the elite brings out WAAC players.

Maybe you should have bought a ticket earlier.

Richard Hsu would be the permanent #1 seed at Worlds with 584 points each year.

Does anybody have an idea of how many people that really wanted to go to Worlds got left out?

10s, 100s, 1000s ???

In the spirit of competition, I think you should definitely try to make a way to insure your top 8 placers in Regionals and Nationals can get there if they want to go.

You make it as big as possible to allow people to play, but I think it would be fairly easy to give the National and Regional placers a way to register first and then open up the rest of the spots to anybody else.

Hell no. This kind of elitism is something that FFG is going to fight as much as it can.

This game is about community and fun...

Do people not see how elitist it can be to tell other people what the game is supposed to be about?

Because IMO the game is about dog fighting engagements in the Star Wars universe. Community is a byproduct of a game like this not the purpose of it. You need some sort of community or else you don't have anyone to play with. All games need to be fun, or else no one will play them.

For some people the main point behind the game is for the competition. They find casual 'just for fun' games to be a waste of time. These people are no more wrong to feel that way then the people who prefer a casual game.

That all said, I think the idea of limiting access to Regionals and beyond to be counter productive. Everyone including FFG is better suited by having enough space to handle everyone who wants to come.

But some sort of ranking system for X-Wing could be cool. Something like ELO for Chess, or way MtG keeps track of peoples ranking. It wouldn't really mean anything just a way to keep score for how someone did in the tournament environment.

I don't think they'll do anything like that, I don't think FFG has the resources for such a thing. But it could be cool for those who care about such things.

They have already shot down a rating system ala Magic. I enjoyed the ELO system Decipher had for their games, but I can easily understand how it tends to be counter productive to their OP philosophies.

The problem with that then is that you'd need also to reserve equal seats at the table for other places in the world. Canada, European Countries, Asian Countries and Australia all have active people playing, and you'd need to reserve space equally or you're pretty much eliminating those people and leaving only the heavy US scene being able to earn the points to play.

Jacob

There's a huge difference between 'elitist' and professional. The more competitive this game becomes, the more it will benefit from a professionalized system for events.

There's a huge difference between 'elitist' and professional. The more competitive this game becomes, the more it will benefit from a professionalized system for events.

FFG's games will never be "proffessional" games. A LOT of their philosophies are "Don't do what WOTC/Wizkids do". It is essentially the same arguement that pops up when people complain about prize support.

There's a huge difference between 'elitist' and professional. The more competitive this game becomes, the more it will benefit from a professionalized system for events.

My god a voice of reason?!

There is one benefit I could see from this. I'd like them to track who has played in a regional already or not. That way stores could set aside most of their seats for people going to their first regional and a few for those who have been to one already. If they still have seats left near the end they could open to all. This would be more for late season regionals than early. It really bugs me I can't go to my sold out regional when I know a decent chunk of people attending have been to at least one regional already this year. Its my fault for not signing up sooner since I thought I would be out of town for it. But still frustrating.

There's a huge difference between 'elitist' and professional. The more competitive this game becomes, the more it will benefit from a professionalized system for events.

FFG's games will never be "proffessional" games. A LOT of their philosophies are "Don't do what WOTC/Wizkids do". It is essentially the same arguement that pops up when people complain about prize support.

FFG might adopt that philosophy, but will Asmodee allow them to operate as FFG has up to this point or will they force their will for a change of competitive play?

I could write a very long post, but I will keep this brief.

Travel and hotel expenses will keep most of us home, even if we had real shot at winning. The people who travel to these events are not necessarily the best players in the world - they are simply the people who have enough money, time, and interest to make it there. Anyone willing to show that much fan-service to any game has (IMO) a right to be there regardless of whether or not they happen to be a top-notch player.

Closing the door - even just a little bit - to the fans who support this game, is probably going to be bad for the game - even if the reasons for doing so seem altruistic and reasonable (such as a ranking system that weeds out poorer players).

One of the things that keeps X-Wing "real" is the fact that it isn't confined to elitists - anyone can compete, at any level.

There's a huge difference between 'elitist' and professional. The more competitive this game becomes, the more it will benefit from a professionalized system for events.

What about a system whereby people who maybe placed in the Top 4 (maybe even Top 8) of a major regional or national event receive a voucher that allows for advanced registration to Worlds, with the remaining seats being opened up to the general public at a later date. Still rewards the top players at those events with the chance for a seat at the big table, but allows better management of the crowds and lets them get a better idea of what the attendance figures will be.

If you qualify for the event, your information is sent to FFG, and they send you a registration code that you can use to enter into the event.

It'd be a more elegant solution than their current "EVERYONE RUSH THE SERVER AT THE SAME TIME!" method of registration.