Kyle Katarn and Jake interaction timing

By piznit, in X-Wing Rules Questions

So if Kyle assigns a focus token to Jake at the start of combat phase, Jake immediately gets the free boost or barrel roll, correct? I realize that's exactly what the pilot skills say, but I want to make sure Jake would get the action even though it's not his turn. Jakes ability about being "assigned" a focus token doesn't have to be when it's specifically his turn, right? It could be at any stage and he would then immediately get the movement effect

Yes.

It could also happen if Garven spends a Focus token and passes it to Jake.

Of course even if you gain three Focus tokens over the course of the round you would still only get to Boost once and BR once as they are still Actions.

Right. That's why I was asking. I was looking at making a list with Kyle and Jake and debating on PtL on Jake but I think I'll pass on that talent seeing as he'll most likely take a focus triggering 1, then receive a focus triggering the other. Not sure if I want a stress to pick a TL or evade

And thanks for the answer/confirmation :)

Edited by piznit

PtL could be used on the free action gained when assigned a stress. You could Evade with Jake and then when combat starts have Kyle pass Jake Focus token. That focus then is used to trigger a Free Barrel Roll and THAT Action is used to trigger PtL which needs to pick something off of the card.

Right. That's why I was asking. I was looking at making a list with Kyle and Jake and debating on PtL on Jake but I think I'll pass on that talent seeing as he'll most likely take a focus triggering 1, then receive a focus triggering the other. Not sure if I want a stress to pick a TL or evade

And thanks for the answer/confirmation :)

PTL's still worth it, with all of the A-Wing's greens.

And remember, if you chose Barrel-Roll for your first, you can always PTL into a boost.

And if you happened to bump earlier? I guess you can still perform the boost of barrel roll!

Bumping causes you to lose your Perform Action phase which is NOT the same as preventing all actions. If you are later given a free action, and are Stress free, you can perform that action if possible.

You could park Jake on an Asteroid when he moves and when combat starts pass him a Focus token from Kyle. That would then allow him the chance to boost, or roll, off the rock assuming there is an unobstructed path and once of the rock Jake's ability to attack will return.

So just to get this straight, i had this same combo of jake and kyle, where kyle was bumped into a vt-49. Am i correct in letting jake barrel roll back off the vt-49 after kyle gives him a focus? Or is the action denied?

So just to get this straight, i had this same combo of jake and kyle, where kyle was bumped into a vt-49. Am i correct in letting jake barrel roll back off the vt-49 after kyle gives him a focus? Or is the action denied?

I'm not sure what the question is.

1. Jake bumps into a Decimator and loses his Action phase for the round and we assume is Stress free.

2. Kyle bumps into a Decimator and loses his Action phase for the round.

3. Combat starts and Kyle passed Jake a Focus token. Jake takes advantage of that triggering his ability and used it to BR off of the Decimator.

Now for part #3 I ask: How does Kyle have a Focus Token to pass? If he bumped into the Decimator himself he would not have been able to take the Focus action to gain a new token that he may pass; this likely means he is flying the Moldy Crow and has some Focus Tokens saved from previous turns. Unless Kyle has a Focus token there is nothing for him to pass and without being gaining the token Jake does nothing.

I'm sorry jake was bumped into the vt-49 not kyle. Kyle was not bumped and focused for his action.

Yes.

1) Jake bumps into Deci and loses action

2) Kyle passes Jake a focus

3) Jake can then BR away from the Deci to setup a nice R1 shot

4) (Optional) Jake then PTL to TL Deci

5) (Optional) Jake then laughs at the Deci as he lets loose a volley of Proton Rockets

6) Jake dies because he's at R1 of RAC without any tokens, and you start wondering - why did I ever barrel roll off of that?

The more entertaining version of this happens when your opponent has init, and you're running Garven w/ R2-D6 and VI.

1) Decimator shoots Garven at R2

2) Garven shoots Decimator at R2, spends focus token

3) Focus token passes to Jake (without VI)

4) Jake Barrel Rolls so he is no longer touching the Decimator

5) Jake PTL to get a TL on said Decimator

6) Jake blows the Decimator up with his Proton Rockets!

7) Jake actually lives because the Decimator couldnt' declare him as a valid target at that time.

This could also be accomplished with Airen Cracken at PS8.

Or you could play the reverse -

Jake at PS9 w/ EI + DD, Garven at PS8 w/ initiative

1) Jake starts not touching the Decimator

2) Jake shoots said decimator

3) Garven shoots said decimator

4) Garven passes Jake a focus token

5) Jake Boosts/BR off of focus token

6) Jake uses EI off of Boost/BR to trigger DD

7) Jake DD's into the Decimator

8) Decimator is forced to take R3 shot at Garven now

I guess using DD could be accomplished with anyone PS8+ via Airen though for the same result, and not as cool. Plus not as useful overall.

Edited by Khyros

Haha, awesome. Thank you both for the responses. I appreciate it.

I'm sorry jake was bumped into the vt-49 not kyle. Kyle was not bumped and focused for his action.

Why you were asked for clarification.

Remember that being assigned a Focus token is not the same as taking a Focus action.

You can have Jake take a Focus and then Boost/Barrel Roll, then have Kyle assign him a Focus and have him then Barrel Roll/Boost, and finally PtL to perform an Evade action.

That gets you both movement actions, as well as double Focus and an Evade. Just do a Green next round to clear the stress and you can repeat this indefinitely.

Remember that being assigned a Focus token is not the same as taking a Focus action.

You can have Jake take a Focus and then Boost/Barrel Roll, then have Kyle assign him a Focus and have him then Barrel Roll/Boost, and finally PtL to perform an Evade action.

That gets you both movement actions, as well as double Focus and an Evade. Just do a Green next round to clear the stress and you can repeat this indefinitely.

The most Focus tokens an individual ship can receive in a single turn is 7.

Of those only two came from a focus action (thanks to a Recon Specialist).

(This build does not occur in a 100 point match, and uses Wave 7 pilots).

How are you getting to 7 tokens Dracon? I think I've figured out how to get to SIX and that is within a 100 point match not that you'd fly it:

Chewie w/ Lando, Recon Specialist, and Push the Limits (or Experimental Interface)

Garven

Kyle

Chewie used Lando and somehow gets 2 focus tokens from that and triggers PtL which is used to Focus for 2 more via Recon Specialist. After that both Kyle and Garven give Chewie additional tokens.

Although very expensive a Decimator could pick up 4 Focus tokens with a single Focus action by filling its crew slots with Recon Specialists. Again, not all that efficient but certainly possible.

How are you getting to 7 tokens Dracon? I think I've figured out how to get to SIX and that is within a 100 point match not that you'd fly it:

Chewie w/ Lando, Recon Specialist, and Push the Limits (or Experimental Interface)

Garven

Kyle

Chewie used Lando and somehow gets 2 focus tokens from that and triggers PtL which is used to Focus for 2 more via Recon Specialist. After that both Kyle and Garven give Chewie additional tokens.

Although very expensive a Decimator could pick up 4 Focus tokens with a single Focus action by filling its crew slots with Recon Specialists. Again, not all that efficient but certainly possible.

I did say that it included Wave 7, and wasn't in a 100 point match.

That Wave 7 ship is Esege Tuketu, the non-Miranda K-wing, whose Focii other players can use in place of their own.

When Garven uses it, he passes it along.

Thus, your first 6 point build, with a little extra, works.

You can do one better in Epic, with a Comms Booster equipped to a friendly huge ship.

I did say that it included Wave 7, and wasn't in a 100 point match.

That Wave 7 ship is Esege Tuketu, the non-Miranda K-wing, whose Focii other players can use in place of their own.

When Garven uses it, he passes it along.

Thus, your first 6 point build, with a little extra, works.

But pandemic is right. If we're allowed to go over 100 points then that opens up all sorts of stuff.

Drop Kyle though and you can do 7 in 100 points.

Outer rim smuggler with lando, recspec and experimental interface to focus for 2 then lando for 2 more. Esege focuses for 2 with a recspec and garven for 1, then garven passes all 3 of those by being shot at (and attacking). Requires your opponent to help by shooting garven at least once, but is less than 100 points.

Edited by Forgottenlore

Now figure out how to spend all those focus tokens! I suppose a TIE swarm could be shooting at the ORS, from range 3, through 2 asteroids. If enough of them shot in a row, he could use a token on each defense roll, and use one for his attack

, through 2 asteroids.

Just wanted to make sure that was clear to everyone.

Edited by Forgottenlore

, through 2 asteroids.

A second asteroid doesn't add any additional dice. An attack is either obstructed for +1 defense die or it isn't.

Just wanted to make sure that was clear to everyone.

Aye, call it hyberbole...or something