As I see it, the ship has an extra hull in place of a shield vs. the X-wing. Unless there is a significant price reduction in points, the generics may be side lined just like rookie pilots.

The rookie with r3a2 still has it's place, however without a stress mechanic or just an insanely good dial I don't see the generics being used for much.

The ace HAS A COOL name, and great ability. we will see him...

We have yet to see the dial. But if we make the assumption that it has the same dial as the X-wing, then yes. However, if it gets to use the Salvaged droids and mechs, then no.

Just checked and no droids are listed at this time, so that makes it even weaker then the x-wing if the points are the same.

I assume it will have something extra. Since it has no astro it kind of has to, right?

I don't think the game designers are under any sort of delusions about the X-wing's competitiveness so why would they release such an obviously inferior version of it?

A dial won't be enough unless it has white sloops.

Illicits give it some stuff that X-Wings don't get. Missiles instead of torps give it different options as well.

The dial could be good enough to make it interesting.

If nothing else, I think we will see Talonbane Cobra at least a bit.

Honestly, I think you are incorrect. I feel that the biggest problem with the X-Wing is not that it's bad, but that it does not compare favorably with the B-Wing for similar cost. Sure it may be ~1 point overcosted but the thing that exacerbates the problem is the B-Wing.

The Khiraxz will not face that problem and fills a couple of gaps that exist in Scum currently. Even if it were 1 point overcosted like the X, I think what it will bring to the table may be worth the slight inefficiency. That said, I assume it will be better in some way, be that cost or dial or whatever. Just saying I'm not sure it has to be.

If the dial is more E-wing like I think it will be a bit more useful than the X-wing. I am willing to bet the basic generic will be 20 points. So 5 of them might be a pretty potent list.

My money is on one or more of the following happening:

* Strictly better dial than X-Wing

* 20 point ps 1 rookie

* A ps 5 generic with an EPT for a good price

* A gimmick dial that makes it fly in an unusual way (Defender is an example of a ship with a gimmick dial)

It will be able to do the bank 2 from the Huge Ship Template.

My guess is you can place place the maneuver template in either the front or the back pegs. That should distinguish it well enough.

I feel confident that FFG has designed it with its own set of problems.

I'm not so sure. I have a feeling that the glitterstim illicit upgrade will impact the Scum forces almost as much as the autothruster did. The timing behind the upgrade is what caught my eye. No one targeting you or only 1 ship can shoot you? No need to use it. The enemy can focus fire on your ship? You pop it at the start of the combat phase and try to tank it.

Wave 7 is going to be interesting...

I'm not so sure. I have a feeling that the glitterstim illicit upgrade will impact the Scum forces almost as much as the autothruster did. The timing behind the upgrade is what caught my eye. No one targeting you or only 1 ship can shoot you? No need to use it. The enemy can focus fire on your ship? You pop it at the start of the combat phase and try to tank it.

Wave 7 is going to be interesting...

It will only make bro-bots and the virago better...

Honestly, I think you are incorrect. I feel that the biggest problem with the X-Wing is not that it's bad, but that it does not compare favorably with the B-Wing for similar cost. Sure it may be ~1 point overcosted but the thing that exacerbates the problem is the B-Wing.

The Khiraxz will not face that problem and fills a couple of gaps that exist in Scum currently. Even if it were 1 point overcosted like the X, I think what it will bring to the table may be worth the slight inefficiency. That said, I assume it will be better in some way, be that cost or dial or whatever. Just saying I'm not sure it has to be.

Scum options for filler at 20-21 points are a tank with low firepower (y with AB) or a glass cannon with slightly better than base 3 attack dice. The new fighter will have a much more secure place. In fact, I'd guess the mangler scyk ends up occupying the same shelf place as the pre-buffed tie advanced if it isn't already.

If the generics are in the 20-22 point range and have an EPT, I think they'll be decent. A couple with Pred/Wingman will fit nicely as Firespray or 666 escorts.

If the kyxayxrcyvcxyyxcxvyzxz is 20 points and you can run five, that's as good an argument for the X Wing to be cheaper as I have ever heard; dial differences aside.

I think the Kiraxe is completely unusable. Mostly because it is not released yet. I find the Hound has the same flaws. Wave 7 is a complete bust so far.

A 20-point rookie Kiraz with an illicit discount I could stomach.

As soon as ive seen the kihraxz i thought its a nice model but a boring ship. Why the hell don't they give it another upgrade option? Are illicid upgrades worth so much? Maybe with glitterstim coming in ut gets better but somehow the illicid upgrades are all rather gimicky than a basic enhancement to a ship like some droids.

So either the dial will bring something unique or its gonna be a pretty boring ship.

Honestly, I think you are incorrect. I feel that the biggest problem with the X-Wing is not that it's bad, but that it does not compare favorably with the B-Wing for similar cost. Sure it may be ~1 point overcosted but the thing that exacerbates the problem is the B-Wing.

The Khiraxz will not face that problem and fills a couple of gaps that exist in Scum currently. Even if it were 1 point overcosted like the X, I think what it will bring to the table may be worth the slight inefficiency. That said, I assume it will be better in some way, be that cost or dial or whatever. Just saying I'm not sure it has to be.

I don't get this line of argument

The poor B-wing is just doing its best to be viable while the X-wing was proven mathematically inefficient to the tie fighter (wave 0). The X-wing is a jouster that can't joust nor can it really survive HLC shots at all reliably (apart from a few still useful characters); its inability to perform competitively has nothing to do with the B-wing.

Special K over in scum doesn't have a B-wing to compete with, but if it doesn't have something special (glitterstim's good, advanced homing missiles have my fingers crossed, still need to see cost and dial) then the efficient Z-95s and scary warthogs are doing to run right over it.

If it has the X-wing dial + a white 1-hard and is 20/19 points, I'd try it out.

crossing my fingers for a preview tomorrow.

I think the Kiraxe is completely unusable. Mostly because it is not released yet. I find the Hound has the same flaws. Wave 7 is a complete bust so far.

Personally, i love all the models, teh K-Wing most of all. The stats have not yet been released and the dial is going to be KEY.

Honestly, I think you are incorrect. I feel that the biggest problem with the X-Wing is not that it's bad, but that it does not compare favorably with the B-Wing for similar cost. Sure it may be ~1 point overcosted but the thing that exacerbates the problem is the B-Wing.

The Khiraxz will not face that problem and fills a couple of gaps that exist in Scum currently. Even if it were 1 point overcosted like the X, I think what it will bring to the table may be worth the slight inefficiency. That said, I assume it will be better in some way, be that cost or dial or whatever. Just saying I'm not sure it has to be.

I don't get this line of argument

The poor B-wing is just doing its best to be viable while the X-wing was proven mathematically inefficient to the tie fighter (wave 0). The X-wing is a jouster that can't joust nor can it really survive HLC shots at all reliably (apart from a few still useful characters); its inability to perform competitively has nothing to do with the B-wing.

Special K over in scum doesn't have a B-wing to compete with, but if it doesn't have something special (glitterstim's good, advanced homing missiles have my fingers crossed, still need to see cost and dial) then the efficient Z-95s and scary warthogs are doing to run right over it.

If it has the X-wing dial + a white 1-hard and is 20/19 points, I'd try it out.

Only thing i really want from the wave are 3 hounds and X Super Special Ks.

Talonbane Cobra is 28 points, PS 9, and has a great ability -- in my mind, he's fairly analogous to Wedge. Based on that, I would guess that FFG will price the generic at 20 or even 19 points, and I can see it getting a fair amount of use if that's the case (at least until Scum gets a better 20-some point ship). The options will be warthogs for 23 to 25 points, or the Khiraxz for 20(ish) -- I could definitely see people playing the Khiraxz under those conditions, since you're saving three to five points. If we get a 21 or even 22 point Scum ship with three attack dice, though, I would expect the Khiraxz to die off pretty quickly in favor of that (as the X-Wing died off to the B-Wing).