hello I was thinking of what new ships that should be added
what ships should x-wing add
Nothing, until Ep VII.
Oddly, while most people put generic star wars universe question on the main board rather then here in 'off topic'...
You've asked a game related question in 'off topic'
I'd suggest you ask the same question there for more of a response, well i would. I actually think though if you read a few pages of the main board you'll see it's been asked and debated to death a fair few hundred times so you'll probably get your answers by reading one of those threads to be honest.
No, the proper response was the RAIDER. Where is it!?
Maybe a better question would be: Which ships should NOT have been released before the Assault Gunboat.
And, you know, the off topic boards need some excitement, even if that comes from game related topics invading.
Novasword. I've always had a soft spot for SubPro and the Novasword was their masterpiece. Now if only FFG would create some new OT era SubPro designs.
Oddly, while most people put generic star wars universe question on the main board rather then here in 'off topic'...
You've asked a game related question in 'off topic'
I'd suggest you ask the same question there for more of a response, well i would. I actually think though if you read a few pages of the main board you'll see it's been asked and debated to death a fair few hundred times so you'll probably get your answers by reading one of those threads to be honest.
Makes me face palm everyday. People bitched and moaned about subforums for a year or two, still don't use them...
No, the proper response was the RAIDER. Where is it!?
Maybe a better question would be: Which ships should NOT have been released before the Assault Gunboat.
And, you know, the off topic boards need some excitement, even if that comes from game related topics invading.
The Gunboat should never be released.
Why not? Its as much credibility as being 'star wars' than a lot of the nebulous eu stuff we've seen.
Its also got an aesthetic tie to the lambda.
I'd have preferred to have seen a gunboat over a khxzzyyxzz or whatever it is
I too despair that people don't use the sub forums. Especially when it's people who have been on here long enough to know better.
They don't use the sub forums as they want a 'look at me' response to their post by putting it in the main forum for a bigger audience regardless of how inappropriate it is and then just compound the problem.
'Off topic' or 'look at my list' posts in the main forum just bump down relevant content causing people to post more and more of the same subject in different topics as the original one went to page two and they cant be bothered to check back. I mean at any point we have three or four near identical topics for any one thing.
But they dont use the sub forums as they are worried no one will read their earth shattering views. But if they actually used the correct area then it would see more use, more people would read it and more people would be able to find a post on what they *needed* expediently and not have to wade through pages of 'fix the xwing' to find nifty colour schemes to repaint their y wings...
Why not? Its as much credibility as being 'star wars' than a lot of the nebulous eu stuff we've seen.
Its also got an aesthetic tie to the lambda.
First off, with the release of the Interdictor, there isn't much design space for it.
Aesthetics are a disgrace to the Lambda. They've turned a Boeing-757 into an assault craft, completely mangling its role and look.
Also, before those 3 fanboys that go everywhere and lash out at anyone who doesn't like it show up,
I never played Tie Fighter as a kid. I never saw any SW movies in the theatres (never had the time). My SW life was reading all the books that I could get my hands on. I'd much rather read my favorite SW books, then watch the movies. Ships like the E-wing, K-wing, Clawcraft, and Defender are as iconic too me as X-wings and Ties. So while for most of you, the Gunboat is as iconic as X-wings, all I see in it is what a lot of people see in the K-wing: somebody thought moar = better
My SW universe is the books, the only SW video games I ever played when I was young were Battlegrounds, Battlefront, Jedi Outcast, and Jedi Academy.
But the eu was such a shambolic 'loose canon' (pun intended).
Thats why disney are burning it as is.
The OT and to a degree the prequels ARE star wars, they are the artistic vision of one man.
All the EU is essentially fan fiction or varying quality.
Some of it (like the early games) are better than others (vong...
) as they had more direct input from the visionaries like Lucas.
Personal taste is of course subjective but the fact that you would rather read an eu novel of dubious continuity than a multi award winning seminal space opera speaks volumes
didnt see 'the new jedi order' winning many prestigious literary awards though....
Thats why to me the gunboat is a contender and the clawcraft looks lame.
But the eu was such a shambolic 'loose canon' (pun intended).
Thats why disney are burning it as is.
The OT and to a degree the prequels ARE star wars, they are the artistic vision of one man.
All the EU is essentially fan fiction or varying quality.
Some of it (like the early games) are better than others (vong...
Personal taste is of course subjective but the fact that you would rather read an eu novel of dubious continuity than a multi award winning seminal space opera speaks volumes
didnt see 'the new jedi order' winning many prestigious literary awards though....
Thats why to me the gunboat is a contender and the clawcraft looks lame.
But you have to realize I grew up with your "lame fanfiction". It has much more sentimental value to me because that's the Star Wars I grew up with. Jacen, Jaina, Anakin and crew are the main characters for me. Also, have you read NJO? People don't give it a chance. The first half was pretty mediocre, but the 2nd half was really good. I'd much rather hear about a cool new alien race, then OH NO! THE EMPIRE HAS A BIG SUPERWEAPON, BUT LUKE SAVES THE DAY BECAUSE HE'S THE BESTEST!
You'll understand that I don't have much respect for Disney for destroying my childhood.
Also, looking into it further, Lucas is responsible for both the Vong and Chewbacca's death.
No i totally get that unfotunately it was your first encounter with the star wars universe.
But to use an analogy its a bit like meeting someone at a party or pub and finding out you both *love* lord of the rings.
You rave about Tolkiens 3 book epic and he's on about an 'iron crown enterprises' supplement for the RPG licensed out in the 80s
The fact you love all that is awesome. It kept star wars alive til we got some more films etc but its served its purpose to a lot of us.
There is a *reason* why nearly everyone in the 1st world has at least heard of star wars films... they are pretty good stories and considered classics.
Its the same reason GOG are selling ruckloads of tie fighter and xwing simulators... they were good and considered classic.. people are still playing it today.
Regrettably a lot of the comics and novels are just not up to the same standard.
Dont get me wrong , i like some of it.
I mean i play the west end games RPG.. its fun but the written modules are again 'fan fiction'... im not going to get upset if someone decides to decide that all the characters we met could never have existed or rewrites them.
The fact you love all that is awesome. It kept star wars alive til we got some more films etc but its served its purpose to a lot of us.
There is a *reason* why nearly everyone in the 1st world has at least heard of star wars films... they are pretty good stories and considered classics.
Its the same reason GOG are selling ruckloads of tie fighter and xwing simulators... they were good and considered classic.. people are still playing it today.
Regrettably a lot of the comics and novels are just not up to the same standard.
Dont get me wrong , i like some of it.
I mean i play the west end games RPG.. its fun but the written modules are again 'fan fiction'... im not going to get upset if someone decides to decide that all the characters we met could never have existed or rewrites them.
I'm talking about the main storylines, most of the side stuff is crap.
I'm talking about Legacy of the Force, NJO (people really need to shut up and read more than the first 3 books before they judge it), etc.
I just watched ESB, and read a LotF book, and I was having more fun reading the book then watching the movie.
I'm sorry, and I know I'm going to get tons of hate for this, but a lot of the stuff written by e.g. Aaron Allston, and Troy Denning is better imho then a lot of what Lucas did.
No i totally get that unfotunately it was your first encounter with the star wars universe.
But to use an analogy its a bit like meeting someone at a party or pub and finding out you both *love* lord of the rings.
You rave about Tolkiens 3 book epic and he's on about an 'iron crown enterprises' supplement for the RPG licensed out in the 80s
My first encounter was the movies, but the fact remains that I like *a lot* of the books better.
I've been re-reading a lot of the books lately since a lot are going out of print, and I stand by my statement that some of the books are much more entertaining then the movies.
I liked most of the books until NJO ended. While there were some bad books throughout it is after that that the main story stted going downhill fast IMO.
LOTF felt like it was in some rush mode. Having Jacen fall to the Dark side could have been interesting but having him fall, set himself up as dictator, and be taken out within two years felt like they were trying to one up Palpatine by having Jacen follow a similar path but do it much faster.
And the law which set the civil war Jacen used to seize power in motion was crazy. The senate picked what was almost certainly the worst possible time in galactic history to pass and enact such a law unless the senate wanted a civil war to break out.
Then Traviss' obsession with Fett ate up a good chunk of space they really needed to focus on the main conflict and the ending made absolutely no sense at all.
FOTJedi wasn't as bad IMO except that some of the the writers seemed trying to take simple things that were established or at least strongly implied to have occurred by the Legacy comics set about 90 years later, things that fit great with how things stood at the end of LOTF, and screw them up.
TIE Avenger.
I liked most of the books until NJO ended. While there were some bad books throughout it is after that that the main story stted going downhill fast IMO.
LOTF felt like it was in some rush mode. Having Jacen fall to the Dark side could have been interesting but having him fall, set himself up as dictator, and be taken out within two years felt like they were trying to one up Palpatine by having Jacen follow a similar path but do it much faster.
And the law which set the civil war Jacen used to seize power in motion was crazy. The senate picked what was almost certainly the worst possible time in galactic history to pass and enact such a law unless the senate wanted a civil war to break out.
Then Traviss' obsession with Fett ate up a good chunk of space they really needed to focus on the main conflict and the ending made absolutely no sense at all.
FOTJedi wasn't as bad IMO except that some of the the writers seemed trying to take simple things that were established or at least strongly implied to have occurred by the Legacy comics set about 90 years later, things that fit great with how things stood at the end of LOTF, and screw them up.
While LotF does feel a little "rushed" in-universe, I feel like the overall story and writing (I'm a bit biased here as Allston, Denning, and Traviss are 3 of my favorite SW writers) was very good. I actually enjoy the development of Fett: before this, he's just a mascot for cold killers. It was nice to see some development, and that he actually did care about people other than himself.
First off, with the release of the Interdictor, there isn't much design space for it.Aesthetics are a disgrace to the Lambda. They've turned a Boeing-757 into an assault craft, completely mangling its role and look.Also, before those 3 fanboys that go everywhere and lash out at anyone who doesn't like it show up,I never played Tie Fighter as a kid. I never saw any SW movies in the theatres (never had the time). My SW life was reading all the books that I could get my hands on. I'd much rather read my favorite SW books, then watch the movies. Ships like the E-wing, K-wing, Clawcraft, and Defender are as iconic too me as X-wings and Ties. So while for most of you, the Gunboat is as iconic as X-wings, all I see in it is what a lot of people see in the K-wing: somebody thought moar = betterMy SW universe is the books, the only SW video games I ever played when I was young were Battlegrounds, Battlefront, Jedi Outcast, and Jedi Academy.Why not? Its as much credibility as being 'star wars' than a lot of the nebulous eu stuff we've seen. Its also got an aesthetic tie to the lambda.
I also did not grow up playing TIE Fighter; I was an adult, which makes me old, but also part of the first generation of SW fans that grew up with the movies, and had to suffer through the dark times when there was nothing SW related being produced.
I'm a little jaded towards the books and some of the Dark horse works because of general silliness that many authors tried to place on SW. I did love that the Galaxy was being fleshed out by WEG's efforts and Zahn's trilogy, but more and more the subsequent novels just felt less like side stories along side the Saga and personal fan fiction elevated to official status. Kevin J Anderson and R A Salvatore are two authors I can not stand, though Inshamefully enjoyed some of Salvatore's earlier forgotten realms works, but their SW 'novels' were cliched, flanderized crap. And that, sadly, was when I stopped reading SW books. So I never got to the NJO or any of the later novels, though I might pick up some of the books from th last few years due to hearing some good things about them.
But Star Wars, for me, will always mean the cinimatic experience, the heroes journey, and the loss, love, pain and redemption of characters that became like old friends. And, remember, post ROTJ stories have been around since 1983, and many of those are beloved as much as any later works, yet forgotten bylay and long out of continuity with the greater bulk of EU.
And just because someone wants a toy made of one of their favorite starships they got to fly in a 20 year old game doesn't mean it's gonna step on another favorite starship from a series of books much more recently published. There's room for lots of ships! It's just that I might not buy all of them.
The 1969 Buick Electra from Rogue Squadron. Probably wont happen, so I'll be fine with a V-Wing. Side note, will they ever go with ships like the V-Wing or cloud car that are only for atmospheric flight?
I liked most of the books until NJO ended. While there were some bad books throughout it is after that that the main story stted going downhill fast IMO.
LOTF felt like it was in some rush mode. Having Jacen fall to the Dark side could have been interesting but having him fall, set himself up as dictator, and be taken out within two years felt like they were trying to one up Palpatine by having Jacen follow a similar path but do it much faster.
And the law which set the civil war Jacen used to seize power in motion was crazy. The senate picked what was almost certainly the worst possible time in galactic history to pass and enact such a law unless the senate wanted a civil war to break out.
Then Traviss' obsession with Fett ate up a good chunk of space they really needed to focus on the main conflict and the ending made absolutely no sense at all.
FOTJedi wasn't as bad IMO except that some of the the writers seemed trying to take simple things that were established or at least strongly implied to have occurred by the Legacy comics set about 90 years later, things that fit great with how things stood at the end of LOTF, and screw them up.
While LotF does feel a little "rushed" in-universe, I feel like the overall story and writing (I'm a bit biased here as Allston, Denning, and Traviss are 3 of my favorite SW writers) was very good. I actually enjoy the development of Fett: before this, he's just a mascot for cold killers. It was nice to see some development, and that he actually did care about people other than himself.
I don't mind Fett being developed but there just wasn't enough space in LOTF to allow the side trip. That should have been saved for side story novels not the main series especially when you are already trying to do too much with too little space.
Allston is my favorite SW author as well, Denning is middle of the road but I hate most of Traviss' works. Traviss has a nasty habit of making a judgement about whether or not a person or group is good, or evil and use her works solely as a vehicle to drill her feelings on the subject into the audience, often ignoring anything established in previous stories in the setting which presents evidence that doesn't fit her view on the matter.
She thinks that all Sith are former Jedi ignoring the fact that Palpatine and Maul were certainly never Jedi and there were long periods where the Sith continued with no contact whatsoever with the Jedi and thus no way for the Sith to recruit Jedi.
She thinks that all major wars in Star Wars are conflicts between Sith and Jedi other then the Vong War ignoring the war started when her beloved Mandalorians tried to conquer the galaxy, committing acts of genocide and attempted genocide along with various other atrocities in the process, and also ignoring every major galactic war that occurred before 5000 BBY, many of which lasted as long or longer then most Sith and Jedi related wars.
Some of her works imply she thinks that Luke, Leia, and Han and their kids have everything handed to them on silver platters ignoring the fact that the parents have spent decades risking their lives on a regular basis, and Han and Leia's kids were all front line soldiers in the bloodiest war in known galactic history before they were legally adults with the youngest dying in combat at about the time he would have become an adult.
Her Halo novels are just as bad at this kind of thing as her Star Wars novels though in the Halo storyline her opinion does have more basis to it just not to the extremes she takes it. I have no interest in reading anything else she writes to see if the trend follows through.
And what was whoever came up with the ending to LOTF thinking? Seriously you bring a former Imperial Admiral, who probably had to be pardoned for war crimes as part of the treaty that ended the first GCW, back and within a couple of months of their return you appoint them head of one of the largest government in the galaxy? How could anyone think this was anything remotely approaching a good idea?
This is exactly what i mean about the EU
The *best* of it is on a par with the prequels, the worst is just drivel.
This is exactly what i mean about the EU
The *best* of it is on a par with the prequels, the worst is just drivel.
That is bull.
I'm a prequels fan, and let me tell you, THE PREQUELS ARE COMPLETE CRAP TO MOST OF THE EU.
I liked most of the books until NJO ended. While there were some bad books throughout it is after that that the main story stted going downhill fast IMO.
LOTF felt like it was in some rush mode. Having Jacen fall to the Dark side could have been interesting but having him fall, set himself up as dictator, and be taken out within two years felt like they were trying to one up Palpatine by having Jacen follow a similar path but do it much faster.
And the law which set the civil war Jacen used to seize power in motion was crazy. The senate picked what was almost certainly the worst possible time in galactic history to pass and enact such a law unless the senate wanted a civil war to break out.
Then Traviss' obsession with Fett ate up a good chunk of space they really needed to focus on the main conflict and the ending made absolutely no sense at all.
FOTJedi wasn't as bad IMO except that some of the the writers seemed trying to take simple things that were established or at least strongly implied to have occurred by the Legacy comics set about 90 years later, things that fit great with how things stood at the end of LOTF, and screw them up.
While LotF does feel a little "rushed" in-universe, I feel like the overall story and writing (I'm a bit biased here as Allston, Denning, and Traviss are 3 of my favorite SW writers) was very good. I actually enjoy the development of Fett: before this, he's just a mascot for cold killers. It was nice to see some development, and that he actually did care about people other than himself.
I don't mind Fett being developed but there just wasn't enough space in LOTF to allow the side trip. That should have been saved for side story novels not the main series especially when you are already trying to do too much with too little space.
Allston is my favorite SW author as well, Denning is middle of the road but I hate most of Traviss' works. Traviss has a nasty habit of making a judgement about whether or not a person or group is good, or evil and use her works solely as a vehicle to drill her feelings on the subject into the audience, often ignoring anything established in previous stories in the setting which presents evidence that doesn't fit her view on the matter.
She thinks that all Sith are former Jedi ignoring the fact that Palpatine and Maul were certainly never Jedi and there were long periods where the Sith continued with no contact whatsoever with the Jedi and thus no way for the Sith to recruit Jedi.
She thinks that all major wars in Star Wars are conflicts between Sith and Jedi other then the Vong War ignoring the war started when her beloved Mandalorians tried to conquer the galaxy, committing acts of genocide and attempted genocide along with various other atrocities in the process, and also ignoring every major galactic war that occurred before 5000 BBY, many of which lasted as long or longer then most Sith and Jedi related wars.
Some of her works imply she thinks that Luke, Leia, and Han and their kids have everything handed to them on silver platters ignoring the fact that the parents have spent decades risking their lives on a regular basis, and Han and Leia's kids were all front line soldiers in the bloodiest war in known galactic history before they were legally adults with the youngest dying in combat at about the time he would have become an adult.
Her Halo novels are just as bad at this kind of thing as her Star Wars novels though in the Halo storyline her opinion does have more basis to it just not to the extremes she takes it. I have no interest in reading anything else she writes to see if the trend follows through.
And what was whoever came up with the ending to LOTF thinking? Seriously you bring a former Imperial Admiral, who probably had to be pardoned for war crimes as part of the treaty that ended the first GCW, back and within a couple of months of their return you appoint them head of one of the largest government in the galaxy? How could anyone think this was anything remotely approaching a good idea?
I won't say it didn't have problems, as everything has problems, but I still found LotF to be pretty good.
all of them..
all of them..
Careful what you ask for.....