OK, two questions:

1) How cool does pilot Bossk sound?

All the ideas they suggest in the article sound good, making Marksmanship and Calculation good choices (although the latter already was).

2) The actual question: Bossk crew card:

Regarding the sentence beginning with "Then": this seems slightly ambiguous to me - do you ignore that sentence if you were already stressed and therefore did not just take a stress token, or is it a case of "there are two steps, you do the first conditionally and the second regardless"? I'm leaning towards the latter interpretation, but can anyone think of similar situations in the past from which we can draw a precedent?

That's a good observation. As written it reads that you get the focus and target lock if you were already stressed. That's how I'm going o interpret it unless FFG clarify othwrwise.

I smell an errata already. Well at least FFG has time to fix the cards before they get loaded on the boat.

I would read that as you don't get the target lock/focus if you're already stressed, as you wouldn't receive the stress token if you're already stressed. ("if" followed by "then").

I'm not convinced I'm right, but If I'm wrong, then that red full stop's going to be fun.

It all hinges on that MUST word.

Missing the attack and being stress free are what procs the card. Take a stress, then get all your goodies.

Stop asking for errata that isn't necessary.

It all hinges on that MUST word.

Missing the attack and being stress free are what procs the card. Take a stress, then get all your goodies.

Stop asking for errata that isn't necessary.

Five posts, two different interpretations held to be correct (and most people agreeing that it's ambiguous and their interpretation may not be the officially meant one). By what definition are we asking for errata that isn't necessary?

EDIT: Could be FAQ, if that would fit better, I dunno

It all hinges on that MUST word.

Missing the attack and being stress free are what procs the card. Take a stress, then get all your goodies.

Stop asking for errata that isn't necessary.

Did you miss the work "if" beforehand? There's no need to be abrasive - the OP has done nothing unreasonable.

I would read that as you don't get the target lock/focus if you're already stressed, as you wouldn't receive the stress token if you're already stressed. ("if" followed by "then").

I'm not convinced I'm right, but If I'm wrong, then that red full stop's going to be fun.

If it had been "[comma] then" or even just "[space] then" then I'd agree with you, but the fact that the "Then" starts a new sentence suggests to me that it follows on after the first step has been resolved in it's entirety, rather than extending the if clause within the first step.

Yeah, combined with that All Stop it could be pretty powerful...

As I posted in the other thread:

Guys, the wording follows the same precedence as R7-T1:

And the FAQ for R7-T1 says:

If a ship equipped with R7-T1 is at Range 1–2 and inside the firing arc of an enemy ship, the following sequence occurs: the ship equipped with R7-T1 may acquire a target lock on the enemy ship. Then, the ship equipped with R7-T1 may perform a free boost action, even if it did not acquire a target lock on the enemy ship.

So, in this case with Bossk, if you do not have a stress token, you must take a stress token. Then, you must take a focus and TL the defender.

As I posted in the other thread:

Guys, the wording follows the same precedence as R7-T1:

And the FAQ for R7-T1 says:

If a ship equipped with R7-T1 is at Range 1–2 and inside the firing arc of an enemy ship, the following sequence occurs: the ship equipped with R7-T1 may acquire a target lock on the enemy ship. Then, the ship equipped with R7-T1 may perform a free boost action, even if it did not acquire a target lock on the enemy ship.

So, in this case with Bossk, if you do not have a stress token, you must take a stress token. Then, you must take a focus and TL the defender.

Perfect, that's just what we needed - exactly the same setup.

Pretty clear then, you get the advantage even if already stressed, you just have to go away from it with a stress token.

Funny, I thought "It all hinges on that MUST word." and it was beyond all doubt and didn't need FAQing or anything...

It didn't need FAQing. We literally just solved it here, with no faq or errata.

So yes. You're welcome.

As I posted in the other thread:

Guys, the wording follows the same precedence as R7-T1:

And the FAQ for R7-T1 says:

If a ship equipped with R7-T1 is at Range 1–2 and inside the firing arc of an enemy ship, the following sequence occurs: the ship equipped with R7-T1 may acquire a target lock on the enemy ship. Then, the ship equipped with R7-T1 may perform a free boost action, even if it did not acquire a target lock on the enemy ship.

So, in this case with Bossk, if you do not have a stress token, you must take a stress token. Then, you must take a focus and TL the defender.

Perfect, that's just what we needed - exactly the same setup.

Pretty clear then, you get the advantage even if already stressed, you just have to go away from it with a stress token.

Funny, I thought "It all hinges on that MUST word." and it was beyond all doubt and didn't need FAQing or anything...

not to be a negative nancy (I do hope bossk works even when stressed), but it being the same wording actually supports the need to be unstressed

The trigger on R7-T1 is the Action: choose an enemy ship at range 1-2 header. The condition on R7-T1 is "If you are inside that ship's firing arc" which applies to both the optional target-lock and optional boost (the errata does not state the boost happens regardless of being inside that ship's firing arc)

The trigger on Bossk is "After you perform an attack that does not hit" and the condition is "if you are not stressed."

So, if the FAQ for R7-T1 says:

If a ship equipped with R7-T1 is at Range 1–2 and inside the firing arc of an enemy ship, the following sequence occurs: the ship equipped with R7-T1 may acquire a target lock on the enemy ship. Then, the ship equipped with R7-T1 may perform a free boost action, even if it did not acquire a target lock on the enemy ship.

Bossk would state:

If a ship equipped with Bossk performs an attack that does not hit and is not stressed, the following sequence occurs: the ship equipped with Bossk must acquire a stress. Then, the ship equipped with Bossk must be assigned a focus and take a free-target lock on the defender.

unless I'm derp and you don't need to be in a firing arc to do R7-t1's boost, in which case I need to get him on the table asap...

The only question I see on this is the stated one... "if you miss" then all the following happen:

1) If you have stress, cool beans, next step
If you do not have stress, add stress, next step

2) Assign 1 focus token, next step

3) Acquire target lock on defender

quite possible, Gray

I keep looking at Bossk and am having a hell of a time telling if the "if" function is part of the trigger or just the condition for the stress.

I really really hope Bossk triggers even during stress and the stress is just there to force your hand at the dial rather than to shut off Bossk entirely.

mind you, though, Bossk keeps triggering even after gunner so if you somehow miss the fully modified shot (and assuming Bossk works while stressed) then you get your TL back and, possibly, a defense focus

quite possible, Gray

I keep looking at Bossk and am having a hell of a time telling if the "if" function is part of the trigger or just the condition for the stress.

I really really hope Bossk triggers even during stress and the stress is just there to force your hand at the dial rather than to shut off Bossk entirely.

mind you, though, Bossk keeps triggering even after gunner so if you somehow miss the fully modified shot (and assuming Bossk works while stressed) then you get your TL back and, possibly, a defense focus

My reading is still the same as Gray, but you're right that it's not quite identical to the R7-T1 text.

It didn't need FAQing. We literally just solved it here, with no faq or errata.

So yes. You're welcome.

It's not up to us to say we've solved it (which we're not even certain we have), we don't write the rules.

Furthermore, if we had just solved it when you wrote that post, it was with the opposite interpretation to the one you put forward in your previous post, so how you're arguing that it's not ambiguous and needs confirming is beyond me.

You've got two conditions on this, where R7-T1 one might be said to have one or two conditions.

R7-T1 conditions

- An action: This is definitely a requirement for both the TL tokens and the boost action. Whether you call this is a "condition" might be argued.
- Range 1-2 and in arc of an enemy: This is definitely a requirement for both the TL tokens and the boost action.

Bossk conditions

- Must have missed with an attack. This definitely is a requirement for both the stress token and the focus token and TL tokens to happen, no way around that.

- Must not be stressed. This is at least a condition to receive a stress token but may or may not also include the focus token and TL tokens.

One way to read Bossk more similarly to R7-T1 is to replace the "miss clause" with an "action." This makes it look closer to R7-T1. The stress condition would then apply to both the stress token and the focus and TL. It requires rewording of the "defender" bit as well but hopefully you get my meaning.

What I think is happening is that the "miss" is a trigger the same way the "action" is for R7-T1. The stress seems to be a condition of both features of the card, though I personally would prefer you get the TL and Focus even if you are stressed because that would be freaking amazing for two points and since the YV-666 and other Scum ships with crew slots can't get systems, you aren't really competing with FCS there and you're still going away with stress no matter what.

But I really think you have to come into it without stress for it to work at this time.\

EDIT: Well, now I'm just as confused by myself as everyone else. The TL and boost on R7-T1 don't really care about each other, only that you're within arc and range 1-2 of an enemy. Maybe the stress isn't necessary for the TL/Focus.

I think we are all over thinking this.

The stress part is much like Mara Jade, if you don't have a stress you get one, if you do have one you don't.

then the rest of the card functions as printed, it does not say may do this and that, it simply says assign and acquire.

I think Bossk with gunner is going to really going to ruin someone's day.

I think we are all over thinking this.

The stress part is much like Mara Jade, if you don't have a stress you get one, if you do have one you don't.

then the rest of the card functions as printed, it does not say may do this and that, it simply says assign and acquire.

I think Bossk with gunner is going to really going to ruin someone's day.

Agree. If it was dependent on not being stressed, it would say so. There are too many cards that do for them not to have included it on this.

I suppose the wording could be clearer if the stressless condition was a part of the second half of the ability.

"After you perform an attack that does not hit and if you are not stressed,..."

then again, the opposite holds true too

"After you perform an attack that does not hit, you must receive one stress token if you are not stressed."

GAH

It all hinges on that MUST word.

Missing the attack and being stress free are what procs the card. Take a stress, then get all your goodies.

Stop asking for errata that isn't necessary.

No, it hinges on the fact that they put a full stop between the two thoughts. For it to be as cut-and-dry as you are saying, it should have been worded "... if you are not stressed, you must receive a stress token then assign 1 focus token ..." or "... if you are not stressed, you must receive a stress token. If you do, assign 1 focus token ...". The period in the middle of the wording is why it can be interpreted both ways.

To make it clear the other way, they should have worded it the other way around, with the "receive a focus token and a target lock" clause first and the "if you're not stressed, get your stress on" clause second.

In general, FFG needs to use more specific wording on their cards. There are a lot of them that can be interpreted in different ways.

This is going to be one of those things you want to clarify with your opponent before the game starts. I can see a lot of pleasant games turning ugly when suddenly both players think the other is cheating.

This is going to be one of those things you want to clarify with your opponent before the game starts. I can see a lot of pleasant games turning ugly when suddenly both players think the other is cheating.

nah, it'll be an faq thing and therefore not up to either player

the similarities to r7-t1 do support that you must fulfill both condition (when missing an attack, if not stressed)

If you miss you are going to get a focus and TL. If you are not stressed you will also get a stress. If you are already stressed you will not get another.

It seems to me that -- although I agree it's not as clear as it should be -- that the correct interpretation depends on the answer to this:

Did the developers intend for Bossk crew to be "deactivatable" by someone putting a stress on his ship?

I very much doubt it. If that's what was desired, saying, "If you miss, and are not stressed, acquire a TL and gain a focus token and a stress token" would be much, much easier.

Instead, the language echoes -- not precisely, but IMO well enough to divine intent -- the R7-T1 language.

The reason "must" is emphasized is precisely because this isn't a cost you can choose not to pay to forgo the benefits. These things always happen, because Bossk is a total ****, with the exception of the stress if the ship's already stressed. The R7-T1 ruling wouldn't be different if "must" were in there: you'd still Boost, even if you were incapable of gaining the mandatory TL.