I hope to see something from FFG acknowledging that they bungled this event and layout a plan for how things will be better moving forward. I don't expect there to be a change this year but who knows.

I wish FFG would acknowledge Xwing for what it is, their premier product and treat it as such. Rather they are trying to leverage the games popularity into a marketing ploy for their other products. It started last year with their limited coverage of the Xwing tournament to showcase lesser games on their livestream and continues into this year with the scheduling and slotting of what should be the showcase of Worlds, the Xwing tournament. I really don't like the thinly veiled manipulation of their customer base. They are playing with fire and need to start doing things right.

I can't put my finger on why, but I found your post to be irritatingly arrogant. You are aware that Armada, the Star Wars LCG and Netrunner were all ALSO sold out in mere hours right? Sure, the player base for X-Wing is almost certainly larger than those games save maybe Netrunner, it doesn't mean that X-Wing is some sort of "Premier Product" that deserves more special attention than any of their other games.

Twisting it to say its a "thinly veiled manipulation" as a "marketing ploy for their other products" is pretty rude. I can say for a fact, I find watching X-Wing on a stream incredibly boring even though I play it regularly. Whereas the LCGs are a blast to watch.

Trying to not make this personal, but thinking that X-Wing is some special snowflake and all the other games are just side-shows is disrespectful of the other games FFG makes and how good, and in some ways, better, than X-Wing they are. This is their Worlds for every game, even the ones you don't like/play. I think it's fair to say maybe they should split it up, but to say everything else should just make way is downright upsetting.

How are other ffg games handling the registration and general worlds stuff. I browsed through the ghost town of a forum for thighs like armada, net runner, ia, and star wars leg and there doesn't seem to be the same outcry there.

How are other ffg games handling the registration and general worlds stuff. I browsed through the ghost town of a forum for thighs like armada, net runner, ia, and star wars leg and there doesn't seem to be the same outcry there.

You need to look at CardGameDB for the LCGs. There are many similarly upset on those respective boards.

EX: http://www.cardgamedb.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26455-worlds-who-actually-got-a-ticket/

I hope to see something from FFG acknowledging that they bungled this event and layout a plan for how things will be better moving forward. I don't expect there to be a change this year but who knows.

I wish FFG would acknowledge Xwing for what it is, their premier product and treat it as such. Rather they are trying to leverage the games popularity into a marketing ploy for their other products. It started last year with their limited coverage of the Xwing tournament to showcase lesser games on their livestream and continues into this year with the scheduling and slotting of what should be the showcase of Worlds, the Xwing tournament. I really don't like the thinly veiled manipulation of their customer base. They are playing with fire and need to start doing things right.

I can't put my finger on why, but I found your post to be irritatingly arrogant. You are aware that Armada, the Star Wars LCG and Netrunner were all ALSO sold out in mere hours right? Sure, the player base for X-Wing is almost certainly larger than those games save maybe Netrunner, it doesn't mean that X-Wing is some sort of "Premier Product" that deserves more special attention than any of their other games.

Twisting it to say its a "thinly veiled manipulation" as a "marketing ploy for their other products" is pretty rude. I can say for a fact, I find watching X-Wing on a stream incredibly boring even though I play it regularly. Whereas the LCGs are a blast to watch.

Trying to not make this personal, but thinking that X-Wing is some special snowflake and all the other games are just side-shows is disrespectful of the other games FFG makes and how good, and in some ways, better, than X-Wing they are. This is their Worlds for every game, even the ones you don't like/play. I think it's fair to say maybe they should split it up, but to say everything else should just make way is downright upsetting.

Regardless of your fee fees getting hurt, Xwing is their bestselling game. When you decide to cut the time allocated to the World Championship of your best selling game from two days to one and then slot that game in on a Wednesday to make room for less popular/new games it's pretty easy to tell what is going on.

FFG wants people to show up on Wednesday for Xwing and then stay for the rest of the event and play other games. If Xwing was on Sat/Sun a lot of folks would arrive on Fri, play Xwing and leave. So yes, FFG is manipulating attendance by putting their most popular game on day one of a five day event. I'm am not judging the quality of the other games but Xwing is a "special snowflake" based on sales. I'm sure this is solid marketing on FFGs part but that doesn't mean I'm not going to call it like I see it.

Regardless of your fee fees getting hurt, Xwing is their bestselling game. When you decide to cut the time allocated to the World Championship of your best selling game from two days to one and then slot that game in on a Wednesday to make room for less popular/new games it's pretty easy to tell what is going on.

FFG wants people to show up on Wednesday for Xwing and then stay for the rest of the event and play other games. If Xwing was on Sat/Sun a lot of folks would arrive on Fri, play Xwing and leave. So yes, FFG is manipulating attendance by putting their most popular game on day one of a five day event. I'm am not judging the quality of the other games but Xwing is a "special snowflake" based on sales. I'm sure this is solid marketing on FFGs part but that doesn't mean I'm not going to call it like I see it.

There's also the fact that since it's being held at the Game Center, there is NOT ROOM for X-Wing to run alongside the LCG events. So it's either X-Wing/Armada Wed-Fri, or just about every LCG event then.

I hope to see something from FFG acknowledging that they bungled this event and layout a plan for how things will be better moving forward. I don't expect there to be a change this year but who knows.

I wish FFG would acknowledge Xwing for what it is, their premier product and treat it as such. Rather they are trying to leverage the games popularity into a marketing ploy for their other products. It started last year with their limited coverage of the Xwing tournament to showcase lesser games on their livestream and continues into this year with the scheduling and slotting of what should be the showcase of Worlds, the Xwing tournament. I really don't like the thinly veiled manipulation of their customer base. They are playing with fire and need to start doing things right.

I can't put my finger on why, but I found your post to be irritatingly arrogant. You are aware that Armada, the Star Wars LCG and Netrunner were all ALSO sold out in mere hours right? Sure, the player base for X-Wing is almost certainly larger than those games save maybe Netrunner, it doesn't mean that X-Wing is some sort of "Premier Product" that deserves more special attention than any of their other games.

Twisting it to say its a "thinly veiled manipulation" as a "marketing ploy for their other products" is pretty rude. I can say for a fact, I find watching X-Wing on a stream incredibly boring even though I play it regularly. Whereas the LCGs are a blast to watch.

Trying to not make this personal, but thinking that X-Wing is some special snowflake and all the other games are just side-shows is disrespectful of the other games FFG makes and how good, and in some ways, better, than X-Wing they are. This is their Worlds for every game, even the ones you don't like/play. I think it's fair to say maybe they should split it up, but to say everything else should just make way is downright upsetting.

Regardless of your fee fees getting hurt, Xwing is their bestselling game. When you decide to cut the time allocated to the World Championship of your best selling game from two days to one and then slot that game in on a Wednesday to make room for less popular/new games it's pretty easy to tell what is going on.

FFG wants people to show up on Wednesday for Xwing and then stay for the rest of the event and play other games. If Xwing was on Sat/Sun a lot of folks would arrive on Fri, play Xwing and leave. So yes, FFG is manipulating attendance by putting their most popular game on day one of a five day event. I'm am not judging the quality of the other games but Xwing is a "special snowflake" based on sales. I'm sure this is solid marketing on FFGs part but that doesn't mean I'm not going to call it like I see it.

I guess you missed last year where they did it Fri/Sat/Sunday and people complained that they had to catch flights and/or had to miss X-Wing because they wanted to play something else as well. Putting it on Wednesday when it is basically alone (unless you are doing AGoT Drafts) makes sense from a conflict perspective. It also opens up the maximum amount of space for it, instead of competing with the LCG/AGoT LCG like it did last year.

But obviously, it's a big conspiracy.

I hate how we keep going back to "this is less than last year" argument. It's not. The 2 128 flights didn't fill up last year and had a ton of players playing a second time day 2. It is logical that 256 might have been enough. You are right, they didn't estimate well, but that point has been beaten to death.

To say X-Wing is their "most popular" is relative. Armada/Netrunner/ and to a lesser degree SWLCG are all very competitive with X-Wing from a numbers perspective. In fact, I have heard from FFG employees that The Lord of the Rings LCG out sells almost all their other games, X-Wing included. I think that definitely means we should sideline X-Wing to run LOTR events amirite?

My feelings are not hurt. I got into all the events I wanted, X-Wing included. It seems to me you are the one who had his feelings hurt that FFG didn't just cancel all other events just so you could register whenever was convenient for you. Sorry, welcome to real life.

Regardless of your fee fees getting hurt, Xwing is their bestselling game

Didn't I see somewhere that someone from FFG said Imperial Assault was currently out-selling X-Wing?

Regardless of your fee fees getting hurt, Xwing is their bestselling game

Didn't I see somewhere that someone from FFG said Imperial Assault was currently out-selling X-Wing?

I actually am curious about their sale numbers, does anybody have any data for us to look at please?

Im done bickering. I think everyone can agree that things could and should have been handled better. I hope they accept feedback and do a better job in the future of anticipating the demands for competitive play at the world championship level.

Yea they only make the cheapest, highest-quality, fastest-growing and most balanced miniature war game in the world. Get it together, FFG!

Cheapest is rather blatantly false - there are a number of skirmish games that are close if price if not simply and directly cheaper to play even if you just look at single-squad costs. Highest-quality is undoubtedly true if you limit it to prepainted miniatures, but if you're going to expand it to the entire genre of miniature war games it's not even close. Fastest-growing, definitely (although given that it's a 3-year-old game going up against other that have been out for 10-20 years, I'm not sure that actually says much). Most balanced is certainly a matter of opinion, and while you love to call anyone who disagrees with you an incompetent scrub, that doesn't change that there are certainly differences of opinion.

So you've got 2 of 4 right, one that's entirely subjective, and one that's simply untrue. But hey - I hear a 50% win rate means there's nothing wrong, so you shouldn't feel bad about it.

As for 40K, yes, you don't ever have to buy another model from another army, but let's not even get started with GW. My entire X-Wing collection (with at least 2 of every small ship and 1 of every ship except for Epic) cost less than my ONE 40K army, bought USED. So in an objective "total cost" way, I'm totally fine with buying all three factions or buying 1 of every ship that comes out. Why? Because I like playing different factions and learning how to fly all the ships. It's something cannot do financially with 40K or Warmachine and other miniatures games. FFG's pricing and low cost allows me to do that, and I thank them for it.

My point here is that you're not comparing the games equally. You look at the X-wing sales model and say "We work around that, and it's only a problem if you want to own your own stuff or play exactly like FFG plays, so it's fine." Then you move to 40K and say "Oh, buying everything I needed was SOOOOOO expensive!" If you're sharing cards with people at the LGS, couldn't the same be done for 40K rulebooks and armies? I've seen numerous stores that have store armies that people can play with.

I'm not actually saying 40K is (or even can be if you take all those steps) cheaper than X-wing. But there's a certain arrogance about the cost of the game that often leads to these sorts of uneven comparisons. Maybe back in the day when it was a core set and a pair of X-wings and you were done, but those days are long past. Assembling the card pool you need will force you to cross six release waves and all three factions.

And yes, you can work around that cost - just like you can with any other game on the market. But the point was really whether the model is exploitive. The fact that you have to take those steps to work around it at all pretty much points to "yes".

They keep official numbers pretty close to their vest, but X-Wing is indeed by far the highest grossing product line at FFG. Nothing else even comes close. LCG's are popular from a business model point of view because their development time and production costs are so much lower, but in terms of gross revenue and gross profits X-Wing outperforms the rest of the products combined.

Having said that, it isn't even a case of X-Wing coming out on the short end of the stick. ALL of FFG's events are massive screw ups. Even their official tournament software is almost completely unuseable. For Worlds weekend, every single event is failing to meet demand.

FFG is a great company in general. They make excellent games with very high quality, their design teams obviously care about what they are doing, and their customer service is top notch. But their marketing/Organized Play/Communications departments have failed utterly to keep up with the changes as FFG has suddenly grown to Epic proportions (directly as a result of X-Wing). This marks them as the NORM among companies. Very, very few companies are capable of transitioning smoothly as they scale up, and FFG has not been an exception. I am not calling out the problems here out of pique, but because FFG has shown themselves to be responsive in the past and willing to correct based on feedback.

I hate to say it, but I think the ship has sailed on this one in terms of undoing things. I doubt there will an official response either. :-(

Re: tournament software being unusable, not to pile on here -- ok, ok, maybe I am :-) -- but Chris Brown (cryodex) and I have repeatedly offered to help out with that initiative, and have repeatedly been rebuffed (for no obvious reason, but I suspect OP is getting stuck in the middle here and that some higher up individual is responsible).

FFG: incredible game company, great customer service ... management in need of improvement.

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Well besides EVERYTHING being sold out, is there a way i can get just a Event pass. I can't even get that. I mean i was screwed because of work i understand that and it is what it is but i would like to be able to just go.

Well besides EVERYTHING being sold out, is there a way i can get just a Event pass. I can't even get that. I mean i was screwed because of work i understand that and it is what it is but i would like to be able to just go.

I'm not sure they have room for a spectator's pass in there. If they did, I'd imagine they'd just go with more tables.

Well besides EVERYTHING being sold out, is there a way i can get just a Event pass. I can't even get that. I mean i was screwed because of work i understand that and it is what it is but i would like to be able to just go.

I'm not sure they have room for a spectator's pass in there. If they did, I'd imagine they'd just go with more tables.

Not sure you need a spectator pass... They are technically also a store, and I don't remember clearly whether there were people checking passes to even let you into the store last year. Maybe there was...

I do hope that next year they do a separate weekend for star wars games so they can fit more people. Honestly though was this a surprise to anyone? Didn't they say they were going to only have 200 spots earlier? Yeah the time sucks and 200 isn't a whole lot but it got sold out. We all knew when registration was and had the same opportunity to get in. I didn't get a spot this year which is disappointing but I'm not too worried about it.